Possible rules change to Kick-offs. Thoughts?

[George Cumby]

From PFT:

"The XFL is coming to the NFL. Sort of. If at least 24 teams vote for it.

The details have emerged as to the proposal that will be made to the owners later this month in Orlando. As crafted, it potentially revolutionizes the play.

Via Albert Breer of SI.com, all eleven members of the kicking team will line up on the opponent’s 40 yard line. Some of the members of the receiving team will be aligned five yards away, some will be up to 10 yards away. The kick will be required to land between the 20 and the goal line.

If the ball goes into the end zone, possession starts at the 35. If it doesn’t make it to the 20, possession begins at the 40. If it hits inside the 20 and rolls into the end zone, the drive starts at the 20.

No one can move (other than the kick returner, with up to two of them back for the ball) until the ball is caught or lands in the 0-20 landing zone.

The overriding goal is to remove high-speed collisions between players running in opposite directions. This approach packs everyone together, reducing the forces that will be applied, in theory. It also resurrects the kickoff as a viable, must-see play.

Still, for a league that hates (mainly because it struggles to envision) unintended consequences, this seems like something that could go a bunch of different ways. The kicking team could keep multiple players at the 40 or even drop some of them deeper into the field, giving them a chance to tackle the returner if/when he breaks through the first line of defenders.

Teams also would no longer need a kickoff specialist who can bang the ball 75 yards. There will be a premium on placement within the landing zone, possibly via a line drive calculated to land within 20 to 40 yards of the kick and force the returner to handle it or risk having it skitter into the end zone. Or, alternatively, a team could find a non-kicker who can drop it into the landing zone, giving them an eleventh traditional defender who would participate in the pursuit of the man who catches the kick.

There are so many ways this can go. Coupled with the fact that it limits the intentional onside kick to teams trailing in the fourth quarter and eliminates the surprise onside kick, the Commissioner might have some arms to twist to get to 24."

I have yet to watch a single play of the XFL, I've already wasted too much of my time on Earth watching football, but this sounds like a good way to change a boring play into something chaotically fun. I'm all for it.

What say the PackerRats?

[sharpe1027]

The onside kick Boogeyman is overplayed. They can completely do away with it as far as I'm concerned.

It's boring to watch the ball get kicked into the end zone so often and there's no real good reason to have such a high risk for the players. Better to do something than be afraid to change and just stick with a bad situation.

[run pMc]

Ddin't McCarthy surprise the Cowboys or Patriots with a beginning of 3Q onside kick from Mason?

Sean Payton did pretty well with an onside kick in the Superb Owl too. Interesting how they want to do away with it, I'm kind of meh. Kickoffs are basically just a boring intermission between commercials.

[Cobra Kai]

Fuck all this pussy bullshit. Return kickoffs back to how they were 10+ years ago. Safety be damned...

[sharpe1027]

Fuck all this pussy bullshit. Return kickoffs back to how they were 10+ years ago. Safety be damned...

They don't need helmets and pads. Fucking pussies. The forward pass is another innovation that moved away from hard nosed real football. Get rid!

[NewsBruin]

I'm bumfuzzled about the emphasis on "no surprise onside kicks." Has there ever been a case where a coach acts like Yosimite Sam because the opposing team surprised him with an onside kick ? (It seems like soemthing Mike McCarthy would do.) Is there even such a thing as a surprise onside kick? Especially with the requirement that you have five on each side of the kicker, there doesn't seem like an exploitable ability to overwhelm the return upmen with a Crash Team and a Recovering Team.

Maybe the league doesn't want any onsides-related neck injuries, but having a surprise onside kick work out for the leading team in the third quarter seems like the lowest-priority problem for the league to address.

[texaspackerbacker]

Fuck all this pussy bullshit. Return kickoffs back to how they were 10+ years ago. Safety be damned...

Sarcasm? Either way, I agree. This safety crap is stupid. For the tens of millions these guys get paid, they should be at risk of life and limb and brain. If they don't want to take the risk, they can get a regular job.

My suggestion for the onside kick thing is give the desperate kicking team a chance for one play, maybe 1st and 25 from their own 25. If they get the 25 yards, they keep the ball. If the defenders stop them, then the defenders get the ball in plus territory. Otherwise, the kicking team just kicks it the old fashioned way.

[sharpe1027]

Sarcasm? Either way, I agree. This safety crap is stupid. For the tens of millions these guys get paid, they should be at risk of life and limb and brain. If they don't want to take the risk, they can get a regular job.

My suggestion for the onside kick thing is give the desperate kicking team a chance for one play, maybe 1st and 25 from their own 25. If they get the 25 yards, they keep the ball. If the defenders stop them, then the defenders get the ball in plus territory. Otherwise, the kicking team just kicks it the old fashioned way.

Paying a lot of money doesn't give an employer license to do whatever they fuck they want to their employees.

Also, if everyone's making a shit ton of money and they can still reduce injuries then why not?

[texaspackerbacker]

Having better equipment for safety is one thing, but radically modifying the rules and changing the game, arguably making it less interesting, that is bad. And it isn't a matter of an employer doing "whatever they fuck they want to their employees". It's a matter of preserving an interesting game for the fans, and making that a higher priority than the stupid safety thing. I say again, if any player thinks the risk is too big, he can be like Chris Borland and just quitand walk away from that shit ton of money.

[sharpe1027]

Having better equipment for safety is one thing, but radically modifying the rules and changing the game, arguably making it less interesting, that is bad. And it isn't a matter of an employer doing "whatever they fuck they want to their employees". It's a matter of preserving an interesting game for the fans, and making that a higher priority than the stupid safety thing. I say again, if any player thinks the risk is too big, he can be like Chris Borland and just quitand walk away from that shit ton of money.

Or, hear me out, the owners and players work together to make the game safer for people playing by making measured incremental changes..

[Fritz]

Hmm. I'm going to have to have a rule book by my side to cover all the contingencies in this proposal. The game is being more and more arcane.

"If the ball lands between the one and the twenty yard lines, but is between the hashmarks, it cannot be returned but must be placed at the spot the returner touched it, unless, that is, one of the returner's feet is at least six inches outside the outer boundary of said hash mark."

So they're trying to spice it up, which is good, but man, the detailed knowledge required to even comprehend what's going on is going to cost the NFL at some point.

[NewsBruin]

Sarcasm? Either way, I agree. This safety crap is stupid. For the tens of millions these guys get paid, they should be at risk of life and limb and brain. If they don't want to take the risk, they can get a regular job.

If you're getting paid tens of millions, or even ones of millions, the only time you're on the field for a kickoff is the once-per-season Crucial Onsides Hands Team, at most. I doubt half of the guys on either side of the kickoff league-wide (okay, not counting the kickers) will get vested for a pension.

[sharpe1027]

If you're getting paid tens of millions, or even ones of millions, the only time you're on the field for a kickoff is the once-per-season Crucial Onsides Hands Team, at most. I doubt half of the guys on either side of the kickoff league-wide (okay, not counting the kickers) will get vested for a pension.

The only reason not to make safety changes seems to be that certain fans put their need to see big hits above the safety of the people playing the game.

I'm fine with them tweaking the game to reduce serious injuries. I'll still watch and support the Packers and can suppress my selfish need to see lots of big hits.

[texaspackerbacker]

Uh, yes, accurately said. And THAT is why what fans want is what should happen. Just like NASCAR, the only reason I (and a helluva lot of people) watch that boring shit is waiting to see a crash.

WE pay the tickets, buy the sponsors' products, etc. WE rule - or We should....... and I say again, if any player doesn't consider the risk worth the multiple millions he gets, he is perfectly free to go all Chris Borland and wimp out.

[Joemailman]

Uh, yes, accurately said. And THAT is why what fans want is what should happen. Just like NASCAR, the only reason I (and a helluva lot of people) watch that boring shit is waiting to see a crash.

WE pay the tickets, buy the sponsors' products, etc. WE rule - or We should....... and I say again, if any player doesn't consider the risk worth the multiple millions he gets, he is perfectly free to go all Chris Borland and wimp out.

Or...if you don't like it now you can watch something else. Doesn't seem safety measures have hurt popularity of the game. Fact is they don't need you. They'd do fine without you.