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  • NFL bans 'hip drop' tackle

    The Sporting News explains everything you need to know about the hip-drop tackle, including why the league moved to ban it and what the penalty is for it moving forward. 


    I get that it has a relatively high injury rate, but I'm not sure how a smaller player is going to bring down a larger one from behind anymore.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by MadScientist View Post
    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...2ea373eec866a5

    I get that it has a relatively high injury rate, but I'm not sure how a smaller player is going to bring down a larger one from behind anymore.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by MadScientist View Post
      https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...2ea373eec866a5

      I get that it has a relatively high injury rate, but I'm not sure how a smaller player is going to bring down a larger one from behind anymore.
      Jump on their back and trip them?
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      • #4
        It will be interesting how teams teach tackling technique to still be effective but not get penalized.

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        • #5
          I say we go back to when nobody used the forward pass. That was football!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
            I say we go back to when nobody used the forward pass. That was football!

            THAT, was rugby

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            • #7
              They actually did it, damn. I thought the opposition from the players would prevent the stupidity from the rules committee.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                It will be interesting how teams teach tackling technique to still be effective but not get penalized.
                The technique was used on 0.5% of plays last year. And that was up 65% from the year before. I don't think it's going to be that big of a change for most players. I think the NFL is trying to get rid of it before it becomes a common technique.
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                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                  The technique was used on 0.5% of plays last year. And that was up 65% from the year before. I don't think it's going to be that big of a change for most players. I think the NFL is trying to get rid of it before it becomes a common technique.
                  I don't understand how they define it different from far more tackles. I hope this isn't something that seems good in theory but is shit in practice.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                    I don't understand how they define it different from far more tackles. I hope this isn't something that seems good in theory but is shit in practice.
                    That's just it.

                    First of all, it's so difficult to define precisely that a lot of the times it is called, a replay will show that it was in fact a legal tackle. It's such a controversial topic, every time it gets flagged, the TV broadcast will show slow-motion replays, and if the call was wrong, explain in detail how the refs got it wrong yet again. And it's probably going to be similar to pass interference in the sense that in a lot of cases, if the play is not flagged, the defense gets a third down stop and forces a punt - but the penalty makes it a first down.

                    Or a tackle that should have been flagged under the new rule isn't whistled down, and a drive that (under the rule) should have been stopped gets a fresh set of downs and stays alive because the refs were inconsistent.

                    How many times does that have to happen before the fans become outraged again over the "poor officiating", and start complaining that the games are rigged?

                    This is a rule that appears to be very subjective in interpretaion, but at the same time very consequential for the teams. I don't envy the officials at all, because they're going to be put into a very, very bad position. There are already way too many rules that are difficult to get right in real time and easy to make the wrong call on. They're going to take a lot of heat on this, esspecially the first few weeks of the season.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                      The technique was used on 0.5% of plays last year. And that was up 65% from the year before. I don't think it's going to be that big of a change for most players. I think the NFL is trying to get rid of it before it becomes a common technique.
                      This.

                      I saw the video explanation and it’s pretty easy to spot.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                        This.

                        I saw the video explanation and it’s pretty easy to spot.
                        There's no clear line between a legal tackle and an illegal tackle. There will be times it's really fucking obvious. Then there will be all the debatable situations.

                        Pass interference is even easier to spot sitting at on the coach watching a replay. How many times is that called wrong?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                          There's no clear line between a legal tackle and an illegal tackle. There will be times it's really fucking obvious. Then there will be all the debatable situations.

                          Pass interference is even easier to spot sitting at on the coach watching a replay. How many times is that called wrong?
                          Given it wasn’t really a type of tackle since the last few years it seems kinda easy. You bear hug, jump and in the air use your body weight to bring the defender down.

                          As it wasn’t used much before the other rule changes (to the head/neck or lower leg) - I get the issue of ‘old man yelling at grass’. And as a guy who played defense - it sucks.

                          But it’s like once/game and lead to one injury a week.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                            Given it wasn’t really a type of tackle since the last few years it seems kinda easy. You bear hug, jump and in the air use your body weight to bring the defender down.

                            As it wasn’t used much before the other rule changes (to the head/neck or lower leg) - I get the issue of ‘old man yelling at grass’. And as a guy who played defense - it sucks.

                            But it’s like once/game and lead to one injury a week.
                            These tackles are not new

                            A bunch of people reviewing film making a determination is not the same as calls being made on game day. Maybe if it was a fineable offense and nothing more.
                            Last edited by sharpe1027; 03-27-2024, 02:48 PM.

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                            • #15
                              By gut says it’ll be as often as horsecollar, tripping, etc.

                              There’s a lot of rules that people have to abide by that aren’t very common fouls.

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