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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
    If he makes our OL stronger, and I think he does, I'm fine with the pick. With two trade ups that occured after we picked, I still wonder why we didn't trade down though.

    SIDENOTE; I really don't want to offer up our 3rd/4th round picks to trade up. I think the draft is prettty deep this year. Stay the course, unless somebody really offers a lot to move up a bit with GB.
    My guess is he was concerned about there being a run on OT's so didn't want to trade down and miss out.

    Gutekunst said he had multiple options to trade back from No. 25, both to later in the first round and out of it entirely, and that he realized early in the night that he wouldn’t trade up because several players the Packers identified as trade-up targets didn’t fall far enough. With Morgan still available and where the Packers would’ve traded back to, Gutekunst didn’t feel comfortable retreating and instead grabbed his guy, sticking with one first-round pick at his original spot for only the second time in seven drafts as general manager.
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
      My guess is he was concerned about there being a run on OT's so didn't want to trade down and miss out.
      I think the bit you pasted about Guter having offers to trade down but not wanting to do so was interesting. First, it tells me he might've been considering a different o-lineman to trade up for, since defensive players were falling down the board faster than a drunk on Xanax. Had he wanted, say, Terion Arnold, he could've traded up for him, but no. I'm guessing the trade-down-but-still-first-round option was the Chiefs. That tells me Guter thought that Guyton, Graham-Barton, and Morgan would be gone by #32, and he obviously didn't like that Powers-Johnson-Powers guy or whatever his name is.

      Now, will he go up and get a defender this evening, like Dejean or McKinstry, or will he sit tight?
      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

      KYPack

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
        I think the bit you pasted about Guter having offers to trade down but not wanting to do so was interesting. First, it tells me he might've been considering a different o-lineman to trade up for, since defensive players were falling down the board faster than a drunk on Xanax. Had he wanted, say, Terion Arnold, he could've traded up for him, but no. I'm guessing the trade-down-but-still-first-round option was the Chiefs. That tells me Guter thought that Guyton, Graham-Barton, and Morgan would be gone by #32, and he obviously didn't like that Powers-Johnson-Powers guy or whatever his name is.

        Now, will he go up and get a defender this evening, like Dejean or McKinstry, or will he sit tight?
        I think most GM's operate within their tiers of players. You are not trading out of a slot if there is only one offensive lineman left in your first round tier and also if he is one of the last remaining in the first or second tier. Also they could have liked Morgan way more than several other top tier media OL in this draft. Obviously Morgan was rated higher than any of the defensive players left as well. My guess is that the Packers really liked Mitchell from Toledo and he went off the board before they could figure out how to trade up and get him. Same with Washington offensive lineman

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        • #34
          I expect Koolaid is off their board with that injury. They tried that with Lacy already. Not something you want at CB.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
            Sorry for disappearing since the combine, just couldn't commit to Packerrats.

            Anyways. I just didn't think you needed to reach into the first round for an offensive lineman. I am not saying it wasn't a need for the Packers, but I just thought there was reasonable talent throughout the draft at the offensive line position. I think the run on offensive lineman put the fear of god into Gute and he had to have someone in his top 2 tiers.

            Morgan and Paul were the fastest risers in the draft at the tackle position along with Rosengarten from Washington. They were all in my 2nd or top of my 3rd tier. Morgan offers some flexibility at guard. He played 98% of his snaps at left tackle at Arizona, which means he is comfortable on the outside. I thought he looks good in space. I think he has more of impact in 2024 and 2025 then Guyton and Mims who were both projected to go higher than him. I see nothing wrong with DeJean at 25. He offers a lot of flexibility in the secondary. Packers have the capital to move up and get him or Kool-Aid in the early 2nd round if they want to. I am also really ok with them drafting Edgrin Cooper at LB as well.
            Trading up for DeJean and taking Shipley in the 3rd would make me jolly.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
              No way!! Welcome back man!!
              Campbell is a poor man’s Prof Rand.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by run pMc View Post
                yep, as expected, I hate the pick
                also, probably woulda been there at 41

                lol

                Well, he's a Packer now so I'll be rooting for him. Along with Guyton he was on my do not like list. Would have preferred Barton or Dejean. In fairness, I had Rashan Gary and Jordan Love on that list in years past, so what do I know. Also, I'm a little drunk, so there's that.
                Run, you're a sharp guy. What logic are you using to be so sure he would be there at 41? Same logic that said we had to trade up if we wanted DeJean at 25? Mock drafts? The truth is we simply have no way to know if he would have been there at 26 other than Mel Kipers stellar track record.
                The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
                  Y’all will have to wait til the draft’s conclusion for my ingenious 2024 “Mastery Mockery of a Grade,” but this Morgan pick gets a big fat F.

                  Ain’t too late to salvage the draft. German Shepherd has gotta find a way to draft DeJean. And RB Will Shipley!
                  I hope he turns out about the same as when you gave "the center" a big fat F.
                  The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                    The many iterations of Dean Lowry.

                    The top of the second round looks loaded. As George said, watch the Packers take another offensive lineman in the top of the second, and watch Packer Nation foam at the mouth and the top of their head explode.
                    If they take another OL I'll be amped. First thing I will do is put $500 on Josh Jacobs to win another rushing title. Hell, I might do that regardless.
                    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                      If he makes our OL stronger, and I think he does, I'm fine with the pick. With two trade ups that occured after we picked, I still wonder why we didn't trade down though.

                      SIDENOTE; I really don't want to offer up our 3rd/4th round picks to trade up. I think the draft is prettty deep this year. Stay the course, unless somebody really offers a lot to move up a bit with GB.
                      41 and our 4th to move up to 33 and take DeJean? You wouldn't like that?
                      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                        Sorry for disappearing since the combine, just couldn't commit to Packerrats.

                        Anyways. I just didn't think you needed to reach into the first round for an offensive lineman. I am not saying it wasn't a need for the Packers, but I just thought there was reasonable talent throughout the draft at the offensive line position. I think the run on offensive lineman put the fear of god into Gute and he had to have someone in his top 2 tiers.

                        Morgan and Paul were the fastest risers in the draft at the tackle position along with Rosengarten from Washington. They were all in my 2nd or top of my 3rd tier. Morgan offers some flexibility at guard. He played 98% of his snaps at left tackle at Arizona, which means he is comfortable on the outside. I thought he looks good in space. I think he has more of impact in 2024 and 2025 then Guyton and Mims who were both projected to go higher than him. I see nothing wrong with DeJean at 25. He offers a lot of flexibility in the secondary. Packers have the capital to move up and get him or Kool-Aid in the early 2nd round if they want to. I am also really ok with them drafting Edgrin Cooper at LB as well.
                        2 things. I don't think the run at OL impacted this pick at all. He is a total Gutes pick. Dominated the senior bowl. Mountain of starts at LT. Morgan isn't even close to the same tier at Paul or Rosengarten imo. He would have been a slam dunk first round top 20 in most drafts.
                        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                        • #42
                          I like his experience and versatility. I’m not sold on his strength and mean streak. Hopefully he gets to 100% and can grow into being a little more stout. I would’ve preferred Arnold when he dropped so far, but I don’t hate this pick.
                          It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                          • #43
                            I few thoughts since last night's kneejerk reaction:

                            (1) I think DET getting Terrion Arnold at 24 is a steal. My guess is Gute wanted premium to trade with a division foe and DET could get ahead of them by trading same value. (If CHI wanted to trade with you, wouldn't you want to extract a pound of flesh?)

                            (2) It sounds like other teams picking after GB were also high on Jordan Morgan, there was a rumor BAL liked him and he would've been under strong consideration with their pick. IOW, he probably would NOT have lasted until 41.

                            (3) Some fans are posting links to videos and saying this guy is a really good pass blocker. Morgan has a lot of experience, is a good athlete, and is still 22 years old, so he's Packers-y. I'll be curious to see where they play him, and if he's really as good as they say.

                            (4) I only watched a little bit of him, I thought he was 'ok' but I liked him better than Guyton for sure. Mims scared the hell out of me because he's been hurt so much and has a long development curve. I'm ok with the pick.

                            (5) I still would have taken a long look at Barton or Dejean, but if they think this kid can play OT I get it. He can probably at least play swing tackle Day 1. I'd rather give him a shot than Andre Dillard.

                            (6) Do NOT want to trade up. Those 4 Day 2 picks are gold.

                            (7) Consensus boards and draftnik sites are nice, but they often lack the medical and character stuff. What's between the ears matters.

                            (8) It's a meh, wait-and-see, unsexy pick. It is absolutely critical to raise the level of play on the OL -- they need to be able to protect Jordan Love at all costs, and the also need to run block better than they did last year, especially the first half of the season. If this improves the OL, and thus the offense, it's a good pick.

                            (9) Dejean and Shipley? Sure, but not giving up the farm for Dejean. Shipley can be had later; he's a homeless person's CMC (i.e., not even a poor man's CMC) but could see him as complement to Jacobs.

                            (10) I'll stop now. I'm ok with the pick, if a bit underwhelmed. I blame the whole build-up to the event; it's always a bit of an anticlimax, especially if you're picking in the mid/late 20's.

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                            • #44
                              I'm not spending shit to move up for a CB until either Cooper or Kool-Aid get picked.

                              100% agree that Morgan just SCREAMS Ravens to me. Surely they'd have picked him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                                2 things. I don't think the run at OL impacted this pick at all. He is a total Gutes pick. Dominated the senior bowl. Mountain of starts at LT. Morgan isn't even close to the same tier at Paul or Rosengarten imo. He would have been a slam dunk first round top 20 in most drafts.
                                2 things. I don't believe in drafting offensive linemen in the first round, and I didn't expect Morgan to go in the first round but I figured first tackle off the board in the 2nd round with Paul and Rosengarten following behind. The BYU guy could fit somewhere in there as well. The Yale guy I don't know if you trust him to give you quality snaps in 2024.

                                Morgan was a solid second tier OT in this draft.

                                Tier 1
                                Alt
                                Fauga
                                Fashanu
                                Fautanu
                                Latham

                                Tier 2
                                Mims
                                Morgan
                                Guyton

                                Tier 3
                                Paul
                                Rosengarten
                                Saumataia
                                Amegadjie

                                Like I stated I think he is more polished than Mims or Guyton, Mim has ridiculous upside though. I don't think the Packers could have traded down because the Cowboys traded back and took Guyton, and my opinion I don't think they were thrilled with the pick as that dude is gonna need some time. If Morgan was there guy they needed to stay at 25. If they saw that much difference between him and the other guys then I get it, I just don't like O linemen in the first round.

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