Another solid game from the QB

[red]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me

carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times

brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice

espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4

what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

[woodbuck27]

My biggest problem with Favre this year has been that he holds the ball too long. He will take a sack out of the pocket...losing 12 yards...instead of throwing the ball away. He did that once early in the 4th quarter...and 10 yards to go quickly becomes 22. That is unacceptable. If no one is open, and you feel the pressure...check the ball in the tenth row. A down and distance sack like that KILLS this offense.

Yes he has to get right there.

[Patler]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me
carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times
brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice
espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4
what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

Sacks are not a factor. It really is a calculation of productivity. For example. If Favre's other stats were all the same, but he had 50 more yards, his rating would have been 89.2. If the extra 50 yards had come from 6 more receptions, his rating would have been 98.3. TDs and interceptions sort of cancel out each other, so are a factor only if the number of one is high while the other is low. Two more examples. if all other stats were the same and Favre had thrown 2 interceptions, his rating would drop to 77.8, but if he had thrown 4 TDs and 2 ints. it would be back up to 83.9.

[Fritz]

I'm sticking to my guns - this team will get better. So I'm going to irk some people and say this: Favre looks better than last year, so howz about a little credit to the coaching staff to keep him from self-destructing. The game planning is better this year. MM admitted he'd originally called a run on that first down; changing that call was a mistake.

You run on first and goal from the seven.

[jack's smirking revenge]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Agreed. That ball NEVER should've been thrown. It was a dumb error by a veteran QB. He's allowed those every now and then.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me
carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times
brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice
espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4
what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

Sacks are not a factor. It really is a calculation of productivity. For example. If Favre's other stats were all the same, but he had 50 more yards, his rating would have been 89.2. If the extra 50 yards had come from 6 more receptions, his rating would have been 98.3. TDs and interceptions sort of cancel out each other, so are a factor only if the number of one is high while the other is low. Two more examples. if all other stats were the same and Favre had thrown 2 interceptions, his rating would drop to 77.8, but if he had thrown 4 TDs and 2 ints. it would be back up to 83.9.

I had to cook supper for Company so couldn't get to this question till now.

Sink your teeth into this:

NFL quarterback rating formula
The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:
• Percentage of completions per attempt
• Average yards gained per attempt
• Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
• Percentage of interceptions per attempt

The average standard, is 1.000. The bottom is .000. To earn a 2.000 rating, a passer must perform at exceptional levels, i.e., 70 percent in completions, 10 percent in touchdowns, 1.5 percent in interceptions, and 11 yards average gain per pass attempt. The maximum a passer can receive in any category is 2.375.

For example, to gain a 2.375 in completion percentage, a passer would have to complete 77.5 percent of his passes. The NFL record is 70.55 by Ken Anderson (Cincinnati, 1982).

To earn a 2.375 in percentage of touchdowns, a passer would have to achieve a percentage of 11.9. The record is 13.9 by Sid Luckman (Chicago, 1943).

To gain 2.375 in percentage of interceptions, a passer would have to go the entire season without an interception. The 2.375 figure in average yards is 12.50, compared with the NFL record of 11.17 by Tommy O'Connell (Cleveland, 1957).

In order to make the rating more understandable, the point rating is then converted into a scale of 100. In rare cases, where statistical performance has been superior, it is possible for a passer to surpass a 100 rating.

For example, take Steve Young's record-setting season in 1994 when he completed 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions.

The four calculations would be:
• Percentage of Completions — 324 of 461 is 70.28 percent. Subtract 30 from the completion percentage (40.28) and multiply the result by 0.05. The result is a point rating of 2.014.
Note: If the result is less than zero (Comp. Pct. less than 30.0), award zero points. If the results are greater than 2.375 (Comp. Pct. greater than 77.5), award 2.375.

• Average Yards Gained Per Attempt — 3,969 yards divided by 461 attempts is 8.61. Subtract three yards from yards-per-attempt (5.61) and multiply the result by 0.25. The result is 1.403.
Note: If the result is less than zero (yards per attempt less than 3.0), award zero points. If the result is greater than 2.375 (yards per attempt greater than 12.5), award 2.375 points.

• Percentage of Touchdown Passes — 35 touchdowns in 461 attempts is 7.59 percent. Multiply the touchdown percentage by 0.2. The result is 1.518.
Note: If the result is greater than 2.375 (touchdown percentage greater than 11.875), award 2.375.

• Percentage of Interceptions — 10 interceptions in 461 attempts is 2.17 percent. Multiply the interception percentage by 0.25 (0.542) and subtract the number from 2.375. The result is 1.833.
Note: If the result is less than zero (interception percentage greater than 9.5), award zero points.

The sum of the four steps is (2.014 + 1.403 + 1.518 + 1.833) 6.768. The sum is then divided by six (1.128) and multiplied by 100. In this case, the result is 112.8. This same formula can be used to determine a passer rating for any player who attempts at least one pass...

See below for the QB Passer Rating Calculator Link:

http://home.new.rr.com/rosslahaye/

Today for Brett Favre his QB Passing Rating was, based on:

PASSING

CP/AT YDS TD INT
B. Favre 31/55 340 3 1 or using the calulator: 85.42 (actual)

now if he had zero picks today, and the remainder as it was, his rating would have been: 92.99

[Patler]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

[Kiwon]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

You're joking, right?

[Patler]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

Your joking, right?

No, I'm absolutely serious. That's the formula.

[red]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

thats the dumbest f'ing thing i've ever seen

[digitaldean]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

thats the dumbest f'ing thing i've ever seen

Must have been devised by Prof. Irwin Corey or some unemployed actuary from the IRS.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I had a different view than Jack and No Mo on the Favre pick. I thought it was a case of a guy getting hit as he was throwing the ball. Brees had quite a few of those today. It happens. I can't say that it was a horrible throw or decision. Just a good defensive play. Brett said after the game that he was trying to throw that ball away. What is funny is that the same people who said he should have taken a sack there rather than throw it away are probably the same people who think he should have thrown the ball away on the 12 yard sack in the 4th quarter.

[Patler]

I had a different view than Jack and No Mo on the Favre pick. I thought it was a case of a guy getting hit as he was throwing the ball. Brees had quite a few of those today. It happens. I can't say that it was a horrible throw or decision. Just a good defensive play. Brett said after the game that he was trying to throw that ball away. What is funny is that the same people who said he should have taken a sack there rather than throw it away are probably the same people who think he should have thrown the ball away on the 12 yard sack in the 4th quarter.

If he was really trying to throw it away, I have no problem with it, but it sure looked like he had set himself to launch one of his missles.

[Deputy Nutz]

Three interceptions this year. Each came on 1st down. Each came after the team had moved the ball. With 2nd, 3rd and 4th downs yet to come in a series, there are times to give up on a play and simply throw the ball away on 1st down.

I know Favre was hit as he threw the pick today, but that's the whole point and not an excuse or justification. The play had gone on a long time, the receiver looked to be covered, Favre had already avoided pressure, the time had come to simply throw it away and see what would come of 2nd or 3rd down.

Patler if you listened to McCarthy's press conference you could hear him tell the reporter that Favre was trying to throw the ball away and got hit as he was releasing the ball. I actually believe this because Favre actually had time in the pocket but he went to his left to get out of the pocket to throw the ball away but was hit. Maybe it was supposed to happen this way but it didn't and all you can be concerned with is the end result.

I would be more worried with Favre's accuracy, he keeps throwing the ball high and he is gonna get picked time after time if he doesn't start putting some touch on the ball.

I counted 7 drops today, maybe more

[MJZiggy]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Agreed. That ball NEVER should've been thrown. It was a dumb error by a veteran QB. He's allowed those every now and then.

tyler

I thought someone said in another thread that M3 told the press he was trying to throw the ball away and got hit as he was throwing.