Official Packers 2024 OTA/Minicamp Thread

[Patler]

Maybe the strength imbalance grew out of a high school (and younger) athlete naturally favoring his stronger, more coordinated side, much like Thunder Dan's ankle history; and the imbalance was neither detected nor corrected by a smaller, less-well funded college athletic department.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his earlier knee issue in 2017 (or whenever), again neither detected nor corrected in college.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his rehab for the minor knee surgery he had after the draft and before training camp his rookie season, perhaps from trying to come back quickly and make his mark after missing most of that training camp.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his first hamstring injury as a Packer and his rehab from it.

Maybe the strength imbalance as detected this offseason is an accumulated result from repeated hamstring injuries the last two seasons.

Maybe the strength imbalance as detected this off season is the accumulated result from several or all of the above scenarios.


Any of the above are possible, but not particularly important to us at this point. The important thing for fans is this:

The experts believe the strength imbalance is a significant contributing factor to his ongoing hamstring problems, and they believe correcting the imbalance can alleviate those problems.

[sharpe1027]

Yes, Patler.

[texaspackerbacker]

Ya see, there was this pamphlet somebody left in the lounge at the local Holiday Inn hahahahaha. From what I recall about that old commercial, the guy who stayed at Holiday Inn was RIGHT in whatever the hell it was they were discussing.

What I see in here are Joe, RG, and Patler making a lot of sense, and this other dipshit - who musta stayed at some tramp hotel - pissing and moaning idiocy, as he so often does.

Regarding the topic, Watson and hamstring injuries in general, it's pretty well established that they tend to be chronic. I would suggest that in the huge majority of cases, the first occurrence, though, comes down to a matter of luck. Can we assume that (I don't know this because it wasn't in that pamphlet I found at H.I.) part of the regimen for recovery from a hamstring injury in addition to staying mostly off the injured leg, is some sort of lifting to keep the other leg from atrophying? If so, wouldn't that result in muscle imbalance between the two legs?

When I was in my mid fifties and substitute teaching at a middle school - toward the end of the school year on their "field day", they lined up all the eighth grade boys (or as many was wanted to participate) on the goal line and had them sprint - race to the 50 yard line. Like a fool and sorta on a dare, I joined them and actually beat well over half of them. But as I crossed the finish line, my hamstring went out. I did a somersault in the air, landed on my back, and damn near had to crawl back to the school building. I never had any therapy or treatment or whatever, just stayed off it and let it heal, and I've never had another hamstring injury - even though I'm still playing tennis several times a week at age 77. What does that prove? Not a damn thing (other than that I'm great hahahaha). It might mean, though, that traditional rehab for pro athletes is not done right.

But probably it's all just dumb luck, hamstrings and pretty much all injuries.

[bobblehead]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

At the risk of beclowing myself I do believe there is an amount of truth to that theory. Years ago when someone had a knee operation it was a given the opposite hamstring would give them problems when they hit the field again. I think trainers are well aware of it now and build it into the rehab process. Confidence in the repair is paramount to success.

[bobblehead]

So do summarize it’s either:
Sven, the 13yr old Viking fan who has a penchant for the occult putting a curse on the hammie
Nothing to do with muscles
Strength difference
Muscles mass imbalance

Certainly no one is ‘right’ - except perhaps Sven

Gimme this sven kids address. I don't care if he's 13, I have a few gumba friends who claim mob ties that I can have give him a visit. Play adult games, win adult prizes.

[bobblehead]

Yes. My point is not that injuries cannot create muscle imbalance, it's simply this. A muscle imbalance cannot be a contributing factor in an injury that occurred prior to the muscle imbalance AND experts in the field know this.

But reinjury can. And the confidence in the recovery can also compound the problem. If muscle imbalance all by itself caused injury then every player in the game would have issues since muscle imbalance is pretty much a universal phenomenon.

[sharpe1027]

At the risk of beclowing myself I do believe there is an amount of truth to that theory. Years ago when someone had a knee operation it was a given the opposite hamstring would give them problems when they hit the field again. I think trainers are well aware of it now and build it into the rehab process. Confidence in the repair is paramount to success.

I'm not sure what theory you mean. The one theory is the UM of Madison experts thought muscle imbalance contributed to reinjury. That requires them to believe the imbalance existed prior to at least the last injury. The source of the imbalance could have been a prior injury.

[sharpe1027]

But reinjury can. And the confidence in the recovery can also compound the problem. If muscle imbalance all by itself caused injury then every player in the game would have issues since muscle imbalance is pretty much a universal phenomenon.

Who thinks muscle imbalance all by itself creates an injury? Nobody said that. All that was said is that the imbalance was likely a contributing factor.

[bobblehead]

Who thinks muscle imbalance all by itself creates an injury? Nobody said that. All that was said is that the imbalance was likely a contributing factor.

I guess it seems like everyone is getting a little tribal on theories when the reality is exactly as you stated. Its a factor. Not the only one. And previous injury causes increased imbalance if not addressed. Hopefully Watson has it worked out because I haven't really seen game changing speed like his since james Lofton.

[sharpe1027]

I made a joke about Internet experts, injecting some humor into it with a dated reference to a marketing campaign. RG gets upset that I was being smug to a poster that immediately calls me a dip shit while praising another poster saying exactly the same thing as me. Comedy gold, haha.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahaha the fact is, you are a dipshit (actually I didn't call you that by name, I just said if the shoe fits ..... - and obviously it does). But WHO is that other guy saying the same thing - so I can call him a dipshit too hahahaha.

[bobblehead]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

[Joemailman]

2024 the end of OTA's?

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

End of OTAs? The NFL Players Association is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025, eliminating voluntary on-field work in the spring in favor of a longer training camp ramp-up, with players reporting in mid-June to early July, per sources.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

So sifting through things, Sharpe claimed it was the REASON but not the CAUSE ....... or was it the other way around? hahahahaha. Yeah, it's about his speed to think CAUSE and REASON are two different things.

Yeah, I saw that original post and also RG's criticism of it. I just thought at the time and still think, BFD in both cases.

[sharpe1027]

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

The phrasing I used wasn't perfect. That being said, I clearly stated the issue I had was when someone disagrees with the findings of the experts that the imbalance was a contributing factor to the hamstring injury. Using their own judgement to conclude that the experts are likely wrong.