More Banjo - Packers vs Eagles

[Fritz]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

[Patler]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

[Joemailman]

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

Yes, and he did it against a vastly superior run defense to the one that Aaron Jones faced. But the Packers lost, so it's Overreaction Monday.

[Fosco33]

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

[bobblehead]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

That Eagles front is top notch. After we beat on them for a half we were more successful. He isn't AJ, but he has generally been more healthy in his career.

[bobblehead]

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

Again, timing and situation. Wilson came in after our OL had a couple series to pull it together. Most Ds are intent on stopping the run early. As the game goes on its up to a head coach to stay with it.

Anyone see last nights game. Campbell recognized this and ran it 107 straight times in OT and the tired Rams D was helpless to stop them.

[call_me_ishmael]

Josh Jones is not half the player that Aaron Jones is IMO. We shall see! Getting consistent yardage is one thing but it doesn't tilt the field that way that AJO's explosiveness does.

[bobblehead]

Josh Jones is not half the player that Aaron Jones is IMO. We shall see! Getting consistent yardage is one thing but it doesn't tilt the field that way that AJO's explosiveness does.

Fortunately for packer fans your opinion is wrong more often than right. How many rushing titles does AJ have?

[Joemailman]

14 times against Eagles Jordan Love threw 10+ yards downfield. 12 were down the left side. Were they targeting a certain defender? I seem to remember the passing offense being more varied last year.

[call_me_ishmael]

Fortunately for packer fans your opinion is wrong more often than right. How many rushing titles does AJ have?

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

[Patler]

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

You missed the point. My response was to a statement that when he got into space, Jacobs got 8 or 10 yard gains whereas Jones often turned those into 20 yard gains. The facts are that in limited opportunities, when he got into space Jacobs did have 20 and 30 yard gains. It was about his performance when he did have opportunities in space.

As for his other carries, I will neither criticize nor judge a back who is hit at or behind the line of scrimmage, which happened far too often in this game. What I did see Jacobs do was push the pile, getting the extra half yard or yard even when wrapped up.

[Fritz]

Oh you guys and your facts. They are getting in the way of my opinions, damnit. I'm just going to wait another half-dozen games, and if Jacobs turns out to be really good, I'm going to pretend I knew that all along and count on no one here remembering anything. If he's not so good, I will crow about how right I was.

Okay, onto another topic: Intriguing comment by The Flower about the coaching staff: “There was some uncharacteristic things that we did as a staff, quite frankly, and that trickled down to our players. So ultimately, we’ve all got to look ourselves hard in the mirror and find ways to get better because tonight, obviously, wasn’t good enough."

"Uncharacteristic"? Hmmm. My first thought leapt to Bisaccia because I sense a tension between him and The Flower. But the ST didn't seem unusual, and Nards's miss - well, I don't know that has to do with sloppy coaching. So who's the culprit? The Flower did not single himself out in that comment, except for the usual "it all starts with me" stuff. So I'm wondering if Half-Assley did something, or failed to do something, that pissed The Flower off. MLF also mentioned he was disappointed in the pass rush not getting home, and that when they did blitz, guys were uncovered. So is he sending a message to Half-Assley? That whatever the guy did or didn't do, he needs to prepare or prepare his defense in a different way?

Finally, any guy that can look himself hard in a mirror must have great self-esteem.

[Joemailman]

The Packers pass rush seemed to be more concerned with containing Hurts in the pocket than with getting hits on him. Maybe that's what he's upset With.

[run pMc]

Packers are not good in international games or in Week 1, and the Iggles are a tough matchup. Despite that they kept it close. I'm not too mad about the loss, I'm worried about how long the QB will be out. I do think with improved defense, a solid game plan, and competent QB they can beat the Colts next week. The have to play better in the trenches, they were way too sloppy and rusty.

I think it's unlikely they can catch DET for the NFCN if Love is out 3 games, but I think if they are 1-3 when he's back they can make a run for a wildcard. They were 4-8 and made it last year.

Jacobs didn't get many favors from the OL. I think that was rust and not being adjusted to NFL game speed. I get why they play around with OL lineups in camp, and think they should, but I have to think that impacts their cohesiveness to start the year, that plus not playing in preseason a lot.

The team will come back and be motivated to do better, especially at home. I expect MLF to earn his paycheck and for the team to play like its back is against the wall. Desperate teams are dangerous ones.

The defense was meh. AJ Brown is a big physical dude and Jaire will struggle with that. He'll bounce back.
Edgerrin Cooper could be a useful player to spy on Richardson. Rashan was the only DE that came to play, the DTs didn't get enough pressure.

Philly was 11-0 at one point last year before imploding. They're a good team. No shame losing to a quality opponent, but if you shoot yourself in the foot like they did you oughta feel like you let one slip away. Hopefully it's not one that's going to matter a lot in a few weeks.

[Patler]

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

Everyone he has played in. His playoff average is 6.4 yards per carry, 11.0 yards per reception. Ya. Ya. I know. It was only one game, but nothing I wrote is false!