More Banjo - Packers vs Eagles

[Patler]

No one should expect Josh Jones to be the same type of back that Aaron Jones was for the Packers. He is a different type of back. He won't have the same type of average per carry.
What we should hope to see is a good average, and more carries than Aaron Jones had in a typical year.

Just a guess on my part, but I suspect Aaron Jones nagging injuries last year and approaching 30th birthday created a belief that they needed to look to a future that would not include him. I don't think they intended or even wanted to out and out replace him in 2024, but when a younger, quality back became available for about what their commitment was to Aaron Jones, they went ahead and made the switch. It would have been a dream come true to have both, but that was never going to happen.

[bobblehead]

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

Who the hell is Josh Jones for fuck sake get his name right. And I totally forgot. Football isn't a team sport. But if we must, that shitshow of an organization only got him to 1 playoff game where he averaged over 6 per carry for 80+ and had 4 grabs for 44. Easily comparable to Jones averages. I love Jones. I'll miss him. He's a viking now cuz he no longer can stay on the field.

[bobblehead]

See...now you got patler not even knowing his name.

[Patler]

I'll blame old age.....again. Funny thing is, as I wrote it, something just seemed wrong. Sorry!

[bobblehead]

I'll blame old age.....again. Funny thing is, as I wrote it, something just seemed wrong. Sorry!

Blame Ish. Most of the evil in the world is his fault.

[Patler]

Blame Ish. Most of the evil in the world is his fault.

Good point!
In my defense, I HAD just reread his post when I decided to type my reply; and, of course Josh Jones, the giant, fast and very athletic safety drafted in the 2nd(?) round a few years ago, had been a Packer. Unfortunately, he couldn't use that size and athleticism at the skill level of an NFL safety.

[run pMc]

Josh Jacobs is absolutely a different kind of back. Aaron Jones is probably 25 pounds lighter and more injury prone. He looks great now, but what does he look like in November? Also - Minny played an atrocious NYG team and thus was able to limit Jones's touches; they won't be able to do that all the time.

I say all that with the utmost respect for what Jones did while playing for GB. Dude was the engine and the heart of the offense for the last few years, really sucked they didn't keep him but he'll be lucky to survive 200+ touches this season. Jacobs should be able to handle that.

If they could've kept Jones as the RB2 that would have been awesome.

As it is, the OL did not give Jacobs much space to run early. They got it figured out eventually, but they need to do better. They'll get their timing and technique down

[MadtownPacker]

I have to think the soft field was the issue. Jacobs wasnt getting pushed back he just couldnt push forward. His wheels kept spinning and also received no help from teammates. Plenty of chances for them to shove Jacobs forward when he was being held up by 2 or 3 defenders. Like they are too use to Jones bouncing around. He didn’t flash but he was solid and never really lost yardage.

[Fritz]

I have to think the soft field was the issue. Jacobs wasnt getting pushed back he just couldnt push forward. His wheels kept spinning and also received no help from teammates. Plenty of chances for them to shove Jacobs forward when he was being held up by 2 or 3 defenders. Like they are too use to Jones bouncing around. He didn’t flash but he was solid and never really lost yardage.

O-Line gots to get their shit straight. I wonder who was worse -Ryan or Morgan? Do you just plug Morgan in and grit your teeth, since he can get better, while Sean Ryan looks destined to be the next Rolled Royce Newman?

[MadtownPacker]

I’m all for change at OL. Even if it means spending money. Sick of seeing teams like Dallas always falling forward 4-5 yards like nothing.

[Fritz]

That was how I remember Zeke Elliott in his early years. He'd get hit right at the line of scrimmage and end up with a gain of five anyway.

Maybe you just take your lumps with the rook at right guard, knowing he'll have some bad snaps but that it will serve the team well by season's end.

[bobblehead]

Good point!
In my defense, I HAD just reread his post when I decided to type my reply; and, of course Josh Jones, the giant, fast and very athletic safety drafted in the 2nd(?) round a few years ago, had been a Packer. Unfortunately, he couldn't use that size and athleticism at the skill level of an NFL safety.

Just another example of Fat Mike's poor coaching. Jones should have been a hybrid S/LB. His skills matched that role. Instead they kept lining him up in more of a free safety role.

[bobblehead]

That was how I remember Zeke Elliott in his early years. He'd get hit right at the line of scrimmage and end up with a gain of five anyway.

Maybe you just take your lumps with the rook at right guard, knowing he'll have some bad snaps but that it will serve the team well by season's end.

Rotation seems to keep guys on edge. They had success with it in the past. Personally I think Steno wants Rhyan to win that job so Morgan can be a tackle, but the only basis for my opinion is that Rhyan has lasted this long without performing. If Rhyan needs a fire lit, keep the rotation going. Morgan needs some tech work at this level and with a new position so I don't think its hurting anyone.

[Joemailman]

Rotation seems to keep guys on edge. They had success with it in the past. Personally I think Steno wants Rhyan to win that job so Morgan can be a tackle, but the only basis for my opinion is that Rhyan has lasted this long without performing. If Rhyan needs a fire lit, keep the rotation going. Morgan needs some tech work at this level and with a new position so I don't think its hurting anyone.

Some interesting thoughts on Sean Rhyan. Is he just not a zone blocking guy?

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/Confes...%20-%20%20Hurt

Being curious in what the Packers have or don't have in Sean Rhyan, I focused on him as I rewatched the game. Coming out of college, while he had decent athleticism, I felt like power was the former burly shot putter's forte. He tested well at the combine, with an 8.17 RAS, which kept him on the Packers radar, for sure. After watching all his snaps, and again, IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, I'd say that power is indeed, his forte. When one of the Eagles' DL tried to go right through him, he mostly held his ground and neutralized the defender, even muscling Jalen Carter to the ground a few times. When the DL's used avoidance tactics, like swim moves, for example, Rhyan was sometimes left watching his man's back as he rushed into the backfield. On the move on zone runs he struggled to sustain blocks. Pulling on power scheme runs, he was effective with his one-on-one block (See my example in yesterday's "3 Plays..." post). I was looking for some confirmation if my impressions were correct, so I checked with PFF, purely because they break down run blocking by zone or power scheme. I never put full faith into their rankings, but in this case I feel it's pretty safe. Their zone run blocking rating for Rhyan was a terrible 32.4, while the power run blocking rating was an excellent 87.4. That's a huge disparity, much greater than I would have imagined, but I think it does confirm my thoughts. While Rhyan has enough athleticism for zone, his technique in that scheme is inconsistent at best. When he's matched up one-on-one with a defender, whether across the line from him or at the end of a pull, he gets the job done.

[bobblehead]

So Rhyan is the Bizarro Myers.