Willis Value

[ThunderDan]

Hobbs and Nixon are truly shitty, hardly worthy of even being called assets, but cap space is not the reason for suffering with them as Corners. It was more like bad judgment with Hobbs. Going into this season, even the cap wimps would have to admit, we had plenty of space, even after locking up Love, signing Jacobs, etc. And if I recall, there were Corners out there who might have fit in real well, but inexplicably Gutekunst - who has been hot and cold in general as a GM - failed to reel in any of them. .

But of the cap means nothing we could have kept signing CBs until we found 2 that were serviceable. If they dont work just cut them and eat the cap hit. At least that is what you and APB seem to think regarding the cap.

[sharpe1027]

I don't get why people make it so complicated. It's a zero sum game - you just get to decide when the rent comes due.

Right. But if you can't do math, you equate pushing money to later years as magic cooking the cap with no consequences.

I'm tired of that narrative. I call it as I see it. Poor math skills.

[Fritz]

"Willis value" - the thread title -

That just went w-a-a-a-y up.

[bobblehead]

"Willis value" - the thread title -

That just went w-a-a-a-y up.

Only 7 called run plays. Tell me MiLF wasn't exploring what Willis is actually capable of. I'm curious. This wasn't just him handing Willis some resume fodder. Something bigger seems to be going on.

[George Cumby]

Only 7 called run plays. Tell me MiLF wasn't exploring what Willis is actually capable of. I'm curious. This wasn't just him handing Willis some resume fodder. Something bigger seems to be going on.

The camera cut to Love when Willis was ballin'. He didn't look excited..........

[falco]

Only 7 called run plays. Tell me MiLF wasn't exploring what Willis is actually capable of. I'm curious. This wasn't just him handing Willis some resume fodder. Something bigger seems to be going on.

I love the storyline. I'm just not sure how realistic it is.

[Teamcheez1]

Only 7 called run plays. Tell me MiLF wasn't exploring what Willis is actually capable of. I'm curious. This wasn't just him handing Willis some resume fodder. Something bigger seems to be going on.

And what would that be?

[NewsBruin]

Like caution that Love could be re-concussed during the playoffs (or is still feeling the effects of his current one)?

[texaspackerbacker]

But of the cap means nothing we could have kept signing CBs until we found 2 that were serviceable. If they dont work just cut them and eat the cap hit. At least that is what you and APB seem to think regarding the cap.

Yes, we could have and should have, and we didn't. That's on Gutekunst, and he can't legitimately blame the cap.

[bobblehead]

The camera cut to Love when Willis was ballin'. He didn't look excited..........

In fairness that's the way he always looks

[NewsBruin]

Fine put your money where your mouth is, let’s have a 2 part bet.

Part 1, Willis will not be a Packer next year.
Part 2, Willis new contract will average over $15 million a year.

$100 a leg, loser donates to their favorite charity and posts the receipt.

I would take that first leg, but I'm 50/50 on the second:

On the first leg, looking at the 2026 QB free agent class, Willis is a diamond in a kiddie pool of fresh compost. You can rule out Daniel Jones and his torn Achilles, making 10x what Willis made this season. If you need a potential starter for more than one season, there's not a lot to choose from.

For the second leg, Jones' $14M average cap hit is #21 in this year's QB rankings. I think Malik is better than the $20M man, #20 Justin Fields, but it will take some Raiders/Jets thirsty squabbling to bring his contract to the Fields-Jones range. Also, I don't know if unrealistic Void Years skew some of those averages artificially high.

But I got a text this afternoon from my friend, a Dolphins fan. It made me think that Mike McDaniels would scratch and claw to get Willis on the team to save his own neck...I mean his offensive system.

[bobblehead]

I would take that first leg, but I'm 50/50 on the second:

On the first leg, looking at the 2026 QB free agent class, Willis is a diamond in a kiddie pool of fresh compost. You can rule out Daniel Jones and his torn Achilles, making 10x what Willis made this season. If you need a potential starter for more than one season, there's not a lot to choose from.

For the second leg, Jones' $14M average cap hit is #21 in this year's QB rankings. I think Malik is better than the $20M man, #20 Justin Fields, but it will take some Raiders/Jets thirsty squabbling to bring his contract to the Fields-Jones range. Also, I don't know if unrealistic Void Years skew some of those averages artificially high.

But I got a text this afternoon from my friend, a Dolphins fan. It made me think that Mike McDaniels would scratch and claw to get Willis on the team to save his own neck...I mean his offensive system.

I can't be a GM cuz I'm not smart enough to draft Meyers over Humphry or Gary over Burns and Sweat. But if I were smart enough I'd offer Willis 3 years 60 million fully guaranteed and then move Love for more than we lost acquiring Parsons.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Technically, Tex ain’t wrong.

Packers could put the non-exclusive franchise tag on Willis. Would get two firsts in return should Packers opt not to match another team’s offer. Sure, Willis cap hit would be the average of the top 5 highest paid QBs, assuming no other team signs Willis post-tag.

The hit wouldn’t be a problem. Cook the cap.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The bill always comes due. Just ask the Saints, who are still pushing salary into the future with a sub 500 team. Also remember that the Saints were APB’s favorite example of the cap not being real.

Packers have done this with Rodgers, Love, Parson, Gary and maybe Alexander. They don’t do it for backups.

The only reason the Sinners are - supposedly - in a so-called cap hell: the pandemic. Not even the NFL’s hotshot, Ivy League-grad economists could forecast the pandemic.

The NFL is a titanic monopoly with antitrust examinations and government subsidies. In other words, the NFL controls the market, meaning that absence of a global economic depression (or pandemic), revenues most likely will continue soaring. With soaring revenues, the cap will keep increasing.

No doubt, the salary cap, revenue sharing and the draft benefit the Packers a fuck load. But the salary cap is mostly irrelevant nowadays. Jerry Jones opted to trade Parsons not because of salary cap constraints. Jones traded Parsons because a sumptuous Parsons extension would fuck with his bottom line. NFL owners are greed-fucked pigs, but compared to the Bezos, Musks and Zuckerbergs, the owners are Bobble and Fosco.

Bobble presumably has more frogskins than he’ll ever spend in his life. Yet, he refuses to sponsor me so that I could realize my dream of being a poker pro in Vegas. Why? Doing so would most likely fuck with his bottom line. Same logic applies to the NFL pig-owners. Despite the cap being irrelevant, no pig-owner is willing to cook the cap indefinitely - can’t get fat doing so.

[pbmax]

The only reason the Sinners are - supposedly - in a so-called cap hell: the pandemic. Not even the NFL’s hotshot, Ivy League-grad economists could forecast the pandemic.

The NFL is a titanic monopoly with antitrust examinations and government subsidies. In other words, the NFL controls the market, meaning that absence of a global economic depression (or pandemic), revenues most likely will continue soaring. With soaring revenues, the cap will keep increasing.

No doubt, the salary cap, revenue sharing and the draft benefit the Packers a fuck load. But the salary cap is mostly irrelevant nowadays. Jerry Jones opted to trade Parsons not because of salary cap constraints. Jones traded Parsons because a sumptuous Parsons extension would fuck with his bottom line. NFL owners are greed-fucked pigs, but compared to the Bezos, Musks and Zuckerbergs, the owners are Bobble and Fosco.

Bobble presumably has more frogskins than he’ll ever spend in his life. Yet, he refuses to sponsor me so that I could realize my dream of being a poker pro in Vegas. Why? Doing so would most likely fuck with his bottom line. Same logic applies to the NFL pig-owners. Despite the cap being irrelevant, no pig-owner is willing to cook the cap indefinitely - can’t get fat doing so.

Nice switch on the topic. The Saints pay the players. They just do so in a way that guarantees a tank in is their future. The salary cap is completely artificial, but it does come due. The pandemic arrived after the Saints were pushing their contracts way into the future with Brees and Michael Thomas.