Romeo, Romeo Wherefore Art Thou, Romeo?

[texaspackerbacker]

Exactly. LaFleur or whoever obviously came to the conclusion that Wicks was a better WR. That conclusion is looking pretty shaky.

Doubs is kinda like a very instinctive but not super athletic LB on defense - often better than the higher potential guy.

[MadtownPacker]

Agree with Tex and Bobble. That what I like about Doubs. He is the working man type and instinctual. Can’t coach that.

I don’t think the fans will hold it against him once he makes some catches. Pepe LePew needs to get a talking to also for letting shit get out of control. Barely beating your coach buddy when his team sucks isn’t enough to look past his part. Fucking hairgel addict!!

[Patler]

yep, something isn't right at 1265 right now

he is responsible for team discipline, or complete lack there of

Isn't this a bit overly negative at this point? Just three weeks ago, after Willis' first game, the vibe around the team was extremely positive. A united group willing to do what was needed to get a win, headed by Christian Watson saying he didn't care at all that a pass wasn't thrown to him as long as they won.

Now, one player has had a melt-down. There are 53 players on the roster, another handful from the practice squad regularly involved in game planning. I don't think that one player going off the rails is indicative of an overriding management problem, or a lack of discipline.

Now, they must get Doubs back in line or move on from him. I think it is a Doubs problem, not a team problem.

[MadtownPacker]

If Doubs is a Packer it is a team problem.

You really don’t think the HC has any involvement or responsibility in these matters?

[Fritz]

Isn't this a bit overly negative at this point? Just three weeks ago, after Willis' first game, the vibe around the team was extremely positive. A united group willing to do what was needed to get a win, headed by Christian Watson saying he didn't care at all that a pass wasn't thrown to him as long as they won.

Now, one player has had a melt-down. There are 53 players on the roster, another handful from the practice squad regularly involved in game planning. I don't think that one player going off the rails is indicative of an overriding management problem, or a lack of discipline.

Now, they must get Doubs back in line or move on from him. I think it is a Doubs problem, not a team problem.

I’d say it’s a “both” problem. MLF needs to use his diplomatic skills here. He needs to assure Doubs of his importance to the team, remind him that being a good teammate will get him a bigger payday than sitting out, and also let it be known (without being too harsh) that Doubs’s behavior ain’t gonna fly.

This is a big part of being a great coach - getting your players to buy in. Now, you can’t MAKE a guy buy in, but if you’re skilled at it you can help guys like Doubs. I get a sense Doubs isn’t so much a narcissistic jerk as he is a proud, intense guy who never learned to talk it out. In the sixties, you could trade his ass and be the Tough Coach Autocrat, but times are different. MLF needs to take Doubs on a journey of self-discovery.

I can’t believe I wrote that. Not something I’d have said fifteen years ago.

[Patler]

Perhaps I didn't state it well, because you both seem to have misunderstood what I meant. I agree that MLF needs to go to Doubs and try to get Doubs back onboard. I did not mean Doubs was on his own to come back or be traded.

My comment was in response to Red writing:

yep, something isn't right at 1265 right now

he is responsible for team discipline, or complete lack there of

which I thought implied that there is a management problem with the Packers and/or a problem with team discipline, evidenced by what Doubs has done. I don't think there is evidence that either exists. I think the problem is specific to Doubs, not the result of a team problem or something wrong in the organization.

Doubs' problem BECOMES a team problem, but it's a "Doubs problem" not the result of or caused by a management problem or team discipline issue (i.e. "team problem").

[Fritz]

Gotcha. That makes sense.

Plus, it’s a long season. It’s too soon for us to panic, except for our immediate post-game panics, which are traditional.

I see what you mean, though, and agree. Now, if the beer vendor in section 116 starts complaining, all bets are off.

[sharpe1027]

I agree with Patler.

[MadtownPacker]

Appears you misunderstood me as well. I don’t think the Packers are in disarray. The “management problem” with players starts and ends with Pepe. If he doesn’t handle his shit then the next level comes in. Gute has no involvement, yet.

[MadtownPacker]

I agree with Patler.

You scared of him? Mofo is like the boogeyman if you get your facts twisted.

[MadtownPacker]

I gotta hit you up Patler, what are your thoughts on Romeo after Wicks dropfest? Would he have been the difference so it wasn’t a close game? I tend to believe so. Love didn’t have his ace.

[Patler]

I gotta hit you up Patler, what are your thoughts on Romeo after Wicks dropfest? Would he have been the difference so it wasn’t a close game? I tend to believe so. Love didn’t have his ace.

I haven't watched the game yet, maybe tonight. Until I see the nature of the Wicks drops, I won't jump to a conclusion.

That said, I like Doubs as a player, and I hope he comes back fully committed, because it seems Wicks is not yet ready to assume a primary WR role.

[Fritz]

I haven't watched the game yet, maybe tonight. Until I see the nature of the Wicks drops, I won't jump to a conclusion.

That said, I like Doubs as a player, and I hope he comes back fully committed, because it seems Wicks is not yet ready to assume a primary WR role.

First of all, what kind of fan are you anyway, not jumping to conclusions?

Secondly, this Wicks dropsies thing is odd in that so many players and/or coaches seemed to think he was primed for a big breakout year. Let's hope this is a glitch, like Davante Adams's second year, and not a feature, like the MVS dropsies.

And where, oh where, has Bo Melton been? He was also a big breakout star at the end of last season, but he's been pretty quiet - the game plan seemed to call for Heath, the blocking receiver, moreso than Melton, whom I thought might take Watson's snaps as far as a deep threat.

[NewsBruin]

I’d say it’s a “both” problem. MLF needs to use his diplomatic skills here. He needs to assure Doubs of his importance to the team, remind him that being a good teammate will get him a bigger payday than sitting out, and also let it be known (without being too harsh) that Doubs’s behavior ain’t gonna fly.

This is a big part of being a great coach - getting your players to buy in. Now, you can’t MAKE a guy buy in, but if you’re skilled at it you can help guys like Doubs. I get a sense Doubs isn’t so much a narcissistic jerk as he is a proud, intense guy who never learned to talk it out. In the sixties, you could trade his ass and be the Tough Coach Autocrat, but times are different. MLF needs to take Doubs on a journey of self-discovery.

I can’t believe I wrote that. Not something I’d have said fifteen years ago.

If it makes you feel better, one of Maraniss' main points was that Lombardi played up the hardass image, but used whatever approach helped individual players on a case-by-case basis

[Joemailman]

If it makes you feel better, one of Maraniss' main points was that Lombardi played up the hardass image, but used whatever approach helped individual players on a case-by-case basis

Yep. Long before Maraniss wrote his book, I believe it was Jerry Kramer who said Lombardi was a master at knowing when a guy need a pat on the back and when he needed a kick in the ass.