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My nightmare scenario (which plays out on draft day too often) is that Gutes wastes draft capital to trade up for Stewart.
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Thanks for your work on the draft Deputy.
Which of the tiers is the deepest, where we might scoop up a rising player in the 2nd or 3rd round?Comment
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I would keep an eye out for SEDGe Nic Scourton from A&M.Who Knows? The Shadow knows!Comment
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Defensive line, both DT and Edge. This draft is going to hit for teams that can wake up the sleepers, or find guys that they can maximize the potential.Originally posted by KYPack View Post
Wide receiver on paper is relatively weak, and the same can be said for the Corner position. Offensive tackle has a lot of mid-tier talent, but too many question marks on the top tier guys and little value on the late round guys. Quarterback is also relatively weak. Interior offensive line is also pretty poor on paper as the second tier center's are projected as 4th-5thnd guys.
Safety is just alright as well.
Running back is deep, The linebacker group is right around average.
TE class is relatively good with the potential of two TEs going in the first round.Comment
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Scourton intrigues me. The issue with him is that he isn't very tall, but his arms are just short of 34". I think he is an early second round pick, his production especially at Purdue speaks volumes.Originally posted by The Shadow View PostComment
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my guess, trade out of the 1st and pick a few day 2 picks
* 34 Emeka Egbuka
WR | Ohio State

* 54 Trey Amos
CB | Mississippi

* 65 Princely Umanmielen
EDGE | Mississippi

* 87 Cameron Williams
OT | Texas

* 100 Deone Walker
DL | Kentucky 

* 124 Dorian Strong
CB | Virginia Tech

* 147 Ty Robinson
DL | Nebraska

* 159 Cobee Bryant
CB | Kansas

* 198 Dillon Gabriel
QB | Oregon


* 237 Kaimon Rucker
EDGE | North Carolina


* 250 Ty Hamilton
DL | Ohio StateComment
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Draft takes place in Green Bay. What happened to Dan Devine’s dog could happen to Gutekunst’s dog, too, if the Packers don’t pick a young un on Thursday night.Originally posted by jklowan View Post
I would be fine and dandy with the Packers trading up for Shedeur Sanders. To borrow Harrell’s favorite band, Snow Patrol, what if this is all the Love we ever get?I don’t want a battle from beginning to end
I don’t want a cycle of recycled revengeComment
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So my hope is that a bunch of teams in front of us pass on DT because it is a deep draft and they think they can land a player later. If that happens we might get a value pick at our position....and its a position we could use more depth at. As I've said, I want BPA almost exclusively as I don't see a position of absolute on fire need, but I think we can improve almost everywhere.Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
I see mocks where Mike Green and/or Josh Simmons slip to us. Green is about the only edge who could be available at our pick that I would want. I don't try and overpredict who will be there as last year a lot of people insisted Cooper DeJean wouldn't be available by our pick. Then again I thought Mims or Fautanu absolutely would be.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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So what if there's some all-world running back on the board as BPA when the Packers pick at 23? Do you pull the trigger?
If the Packers try to "wake up the sleepers or find guys that they can maximize the potential" on the defensive line, they'd better have better coaching than they did the last two years. Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Mess, Kenny Clark's regression, Devonte Wyatt's stalling out. It weren't pretty."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPackComment
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Yes. Every time. Unfortunately, it's never that black and whiteOriginally posted by Fritz View PostComment
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Well unfortunately like many drafts You are drafting on potential, measurements, and development. Not many sure fire draft prospects in this draft if any draft. Organizations have to put a premium on hiring the best most qualified staff but the NFL is like any big business, people hire friends or people with connections. It is why you see so many coaches consistently get on and off the carousel. Organizations and head coaches consistently shoot themselves in the foot by hiring friends and keeping friends on the staff when they should be fired.Originally posted by Fritz View Post
The Packers have an all world running back, they need all world wide receivers, defensive tackles, and cornerbacks. It's a very short term perspective, but with running backs life span in the NFL I think I would continue to pass on the running back position, especially in the first couple of rounds.Comment
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Part of understanding football is understanding that you need certain pieces in place FIRST. You can't run the ball with a shitty OL (and you can't win without effective running). In said case they should trade back if its that clearly the BPA. We have zero need at RB and the positional value limits the idea that it could be the BPA....but if Jeanty falls to us? Fuck it, grab him if you can't get trade value.Originally posted by Fritz View PostThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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If you can get an all world running back on a rookie deal and there's no other player rated similarly, there should be no hesitation. It's never that simple, however.Comment
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In my book positional value goes something like this:
QB, DL (all across the board), OL, CB, TE, S, WR, off ball LB, RB. I would lump TE/S/WR pretty tight. But the game is won in the trenches and by QB play. So the QB is the man and hitting him and keeping him from being hit is paramount. After that he needs to throw the ball well so denying him targets and getting him targets comes next. Then you don't need to be run first, but you need to be able to run, so LBs who chase and tackle and guys who tote the rock are last. In todays game if you find LB/RB who are good in pass game and run game they move up in value though. In said case you can lump everyone after CB together. But I would always always build a team from the trenches out.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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I was coming at it from the hypothetical situation from Fritz.
For example, if Shaquan Barkley was available to the Packers to pick last year on a rookie deal, they take him over Jordan Morgan every time.Comment
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