Time to fire Stenavich?

[King Friday]

Bottom line is that this offense did not improve year over year, and in fact regressed in some ways despite getting what they did from Jacobs. Just look at the other side of the field Sunday. The Eagles had a similar thing happen in 2023. They cleaned house. New OC, new DC, get Barkley…look at the impact.

At this point, Stenavich has to go. He has certainly made contributions to this team and I’m not saying he is a bad OC. However, this team needs some fresh eyes and could use a new approach no different than where the Packers were on defense last year. Look at the improvement Hafley has brought to fruition.

Lafleur needs to take a hard look in the mirror and recognize that rolling forward with the same coaching staff would be insanity. There are 2 coordinators that need to go. Bitch Sac likely won’t be a tough one to let go, but getting a new OC seems like something Lafleur will not do, yet I feel that he has to if he truly wants to take this team to a championship level.

[call_me_ishmael]

He's a pretty good OL coach. Seems like he is just in too high of a position for him. Peter principle.

[Deputy Nutz]

He is damn good ball coach. Try again. He doesn't call the plays, he is really in charge of the run game coordination, you have a problem with the way the Packers ran the football this year?

[King Friday]

He is damn good ball coach. Try again. He doesn't call the plays, he is really in charge of the run game coordination, you have a problem with the way the Packers ran the football this year?

He’s OC, not OL position coach.

He’s responsible for developing players overall and ensuring the offensive team is ready to go as much as Lafleur. He failed miserably in that account. We knew we weren’t going to have Morgan for weeks. Jenkins went down, and complete and utter shit show. That’s entirely on Stenavich. Entirely.

Jacobs was why the team ran well. Blocking was mediocre much of the year, and Jacobs just found ways to get yards. Attributing that to Stenavich is ridiculous. In fact, the whole tush push with Kraft being instituted by Kraft is just an example of why Stenavich comes up short. Kudos to him for listening to his players, but he is paid to come up with that shit on his own, and I don’t think he can. He provides no strong offensive strategy skills to be a sounding board for Lafleur and it showed.

[Deputy Nutz]

It's LaFluers offense, and LaFuer is the play caller. The Packers had an incredible run this year on the offensive line staying healthy outside of Morgan going down. They had to rely on two rookies with a lack of experience against the best combination of defensive tackles in the league. I would have expected them to struggle. The play caller didn't exactly help them out.

Claiming the run game was all Jacobs shows your lack of knowledge, they 2496 rushing yards for a 4.8 average. Wilson and Brooks actually had a higher average than Jacobs.

But you know keep pulling straws to prove your ridiculous statement.

[Patler]

It's LaFluers offense, and LaFuer is the play caller. The Packers had an incredible run this year on the offensive line staying healthy outside of Morgan going down. They had to rely on two rookies with a lack of experience against the best combination of defensive tackles in the league. I would have expected them to struggle. The play caller didn't exactly help them out.

Claiming the run game was all Jacobs shows your lack of knowledge, they 2496 rushing yards for a 4.8 average. Wilson and Brooks actually had a higher average than Jacobs.

But you know keep pulling straws to prove your ridiculous statement.

Yup. It's hard to know what the dynamics are in establishing the overall design and philosophy of the offense, game plans week to week, etc.; but I think it is clear who makes the decisions and who are "advisors."

What LaFleur has to ask himself is if Stenovich and others are offering the suggestions, insight, criticisms, warnings, etc. that he needs. Being surrounded by "yes men" is not helpful. Being a good on-the-practice-field coach is not enough.

[Joemailman]

Yup. It's hard to know what the dynamics are in establishing the overall design and philosophy of the offense, game plans week to week, etc.; but I think it is clear who makes the decisions and who are "advisors."

What LaFleur has to ask himself is if Stenovich and others are offering the suggestions, insight, criticisms, warnings, etc. that he needs. Being surrounded by "yes men" is not helpful. Being a good on-the-practice-field coach is not enough.

He also brought in Saleh and Getsy 2nd half of the year. Too many advisors?

[King Friday]

It's LaFluers offense, and LaFuer is the play caller. The Packers had an incredible run this year on the offensive line staying healthy outside of Morgan going down. They had to rely on two rookies with a lack of experience against the best combination of defensive tackles in the league. I would have expected them to struggle. The play caller didn't exactly help them out.

Claiming the run game was all Jacobs shows your lack of knowledge, they 2496 rushing yards for a 4.8 average. Wilson and Brooks actually had a higher average than Jacobs.

But you know keep pulling straws to prove your ridiculous statement.

Everyone contributes, otherwise why the fuck would you even have an OC?

Exactly how did the OL improve this year? Again, Jenkins goes out and it looks like the coaching staff has no clue what plan B was. Yanking the replacement after 5 min doesn’t instill confidence in the OC.

[Joemailman]

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The Bears requested an interview with Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich for their head coaching job, per source.

It’s the first interview for Stenavich, a former NFL offensive lineman who has been an asset to Matt LaFleur.

[King Friday]

I’m expecting an interview with the Bears soon. It feels like they are interviewing everyone.

[Bretsky]

Bottom line is that this offense did not improve year over year, and in fact regressed in some ways despite getting what they did from Jacobs. Just look at the other side of the field Sunday. The Eagles had a similar thing happen in 2023. They cleaned house. New OC, new DC, get Barkley…look at the impact.

At this point, Stenavich has to go. He has certainly made contributions to this team and I’m not saying he is a bad OC. However, this team needs some fresh eyes and could use a new approach no different than where the Packers were on defense last year. Look at the improvement Hafley has brought to fruition.

Lafleur needs to take a hard look in the mirror and recognize that rolling forward with the same coaching staff would be insanity. There are 2 coordinators that need to go. Bitch Sac likely won’t be a tough one to let go, but getting a new OC seems like something Lafleur will not do, yet I feel that he has to if he truly wants to take this team to a championship level.

[call_me_ishmael]

Comparing Philly and GB is dumb. What other teams had similar results with a change? Are folks suggesting we have the same talent level as Philly and just underachieved? Did Philly underachieve last year or overachieve this year?

My take is Philly underachieved last year and reverted to the mean. They were in the SB two years ago and then landed a few studs in the draft like Carter. They landed a stud RB that was slept on. We shoulda signed him instead.

Howie Roseman is a better GM than Goot but that doesn't mean Goot is bad.

[MadScientist]

Comparing Philly and GB is dumb. What other teams had similar results with a change? Are folks suggesting we have the same talent level as Philly and just underachieved? Did Philly underachieve last year or overachieve this year?

My take is Philly underachieved last year and reverted to the mean. They were in the SB two years ago and then landed a few studs in the draft like Carter. They landed a stud RB that was slept on. We shoulda signed him instead.

Howie Roseman is a better GM than Goot but that doesn't mean Goot is bad.

Their defense went from poor to the top in the league. That is more than 'reverting to the mean'.

[King Friday]

Comparing Philly and GB is dumb. What other teams had similar results with a change? Are folks suggesting we have the same talent level as Philly and just underachieved? Did Philly underachieve last year or overachieve this year?

My take is Philly underachieved last year and reverted to the mean. They were in the SB two years ago and then landed a few studs in the draft like Carter. They landed a stud RB that was slept on. We shoulda signed him instead.

Howie Roseman is a better GM than Goot but that doesn't mean Goot is bad.

Why is it dumb? I’m not referring to talent on the field. I’m clearly referring to the coaching staff. Philly underperformed in 2023. That was coaching. They addressed it. The Packers underperformed in 2024. Yes, we have talent gaps as well, but I’m not focusing on that. Who is responsible to IMPROVE and DEVELOP the offensive players? That is on Stenavich. With all the young guys, you’d think at least a couple guys would take a step forward. The only guy who really did was Kraft, and even that was muted to some extent.

If you expect Stenavich to magically start improving players now, you are kidding yourself.

[Deputy Nutz]

Everyone contributes, otherwise why the fuck would you even have an OC?

Exactly how did the OL improve this year? Again, Jenkins goes out and it looks like the coaching staff has no clue what plan B was. Yanking the replacement after 5 min doesn’t instill confidence in the OC.

The Packers have hired head coaches that call their own offensive plays since Mike Holmgren. The offensive coordinators have been important but they do not have control over the offense, especially play calling. The offensive line wasn't great but again the _Packers rushed for almost 2500 yards this year, hard to find a fault with Stenavich and LaFluer when it comes to rushing production. You just want to attribute all to Jacobs because that fits your ridiculous narrative.

The plan was Morgan, he was hurt all year. unfortunate time to go with a back up guard against maybe the best combination of defensive tackles in the NFL. Most starters struggle with those two. find another straw.