IN GUTEBAG, DO YOU REALLY TRUST ?????

[Deputy Nutz]

I think Van Ness, who might still pan out was a tremendous reach in 2023. he wasn't even a full-time starter in college, you are betting on future potential turning into production and that didn't sit right with me because of how unpolished he was coming out of college, but damn did he have some hotties around him on draft night, including his mom.

[bobblehead]

Guter’s apparent thinking about first rounders lines up with your assessment: you need big play difference-makers, who are mostly athletic freaks, even by NFL standards. So Guter keeps trying to get them in round one, but swings and misses more than (we think?) most GM’s do.

Mckinney is an average athlete but an exceptional football player. Not all difference makers are freaks, some of them are simply good football players. A quick glance at defensive player of the year awards (ignoring the almost always QB MVP). Most were very high picks. We don't get to pick top 10 much with our winning and all. But the big key is most of those guys are freaks who actually know how to play football. Gutes needs to pick great players and stop caring about who might win a decathlon.

[bobblehead]

I think Van Ness, who might still pan out was a tremendous reach in 2023. he wasn't even a full-time starter in college, you are betting on future potential turning into production and that didn't sit right with me because of how unpolished he was coming out of college, but damn did he have some hotties around him on draft night, including his mom.

Exactly my point. We get in position to make such a pick and we go with the freak who hasn't demonstrated that he is a great football player yet. There were guys there who maybe weren't quite Van Ness level athletes, but had proven they can ball out.

[Deputy Nutz]

I get it, sometimes if you really have trust and belief in your coaching staff to maximize the potential you can elevate things like a RAS score to make a determination on potential picks. I am not sure the Packers had the right guys the last two years along the defensive line to do that. Gary who works his ass off in the off season has one clear issue, he gets to upright on his first couple of steps off the snap. He exposes his chest to offensive linemen and he ends of too damn square. Its not speed, its not his get off, his hips are great, and he can practice pass rush sequences better than most, but damn if a high school ball coach can see it, why the hell can't professionals?

[bobblehead]

As i understand it, the defensive tackle crop this year is pretty promising, so maybe they're thinking they can nab a run-stuffing DT in the fourth or fifth round and replace that way. Or maybe they'll got for one earlier to try to upgrade. I can't tell whether Kenny Clark would be better at the nose or the three. I don't know enough about football to know.

I think that is absolutely the case. I just posted in the other thread that I hope a stud DT slips to us as teams think they can add one later. However all that said, I would still have like to retain TJ. I don't like seeing productive players walk. As such I was thrilled to see Myers go.

[bobblehead]

I get it, sometimes if you really have trust and belief in your coaching staff to maximize the potential you can elevate things like a RAS score to make a determination on potential picks. I am not sure the Packers had the right guys the last two years along the defensive line to do that. Gary who works his ass off in the off season has one clear issue, he gets to upright on his first couple of steps off the snap. He exposes his chest to offensive linemen and he ends of too damn square. Its not speed, its not his get off, his hips are great, and he can practice pass rush sequences better than most, but damn if a high school ball coach can see it, why the hell can't professionals?

One thing I have learned in life (and I alluded to in the Romper Room stock thread) is that oftentimes its not the most knowledgeable or the best that rise through the ranks. Its a lot of other factors that get them there. Why are there guys on CNBC talking about putting money in Palantir when there is virtually no chance you will have any reasonable return from now until 4 years out? Because they got those positions based on things OTHER than their ability to analyze a stock. Jim Cramer is a raging moron to be honest. His documented record on his show is so bad he should have been off the air a decade ago. But he screams a lot and makes funny sounds so he gets his own show.

[sharpe1027]

One thing I have learned in life (and I alluded to in the Romper Room stock thread) is that oftentimes its not the most knowledgeable or the best that rise through the ranks. Its a lot of other factors that get them there. Why are there guys on CNBC talking about putting money in Palantir when there is virtually no chance you will have any reasonable return from now until 4 years out? Because they got those positions based on things OTHER than their ability to analyze a stock. Jim Cramer is a raging moron to be honest. His documented record on his show is so bad he should have been off the air a decade ago. But he screams a lot and makes funny sounds so he gets his own show.

Jim Cramer's job isn't to pick winning stocks. It's to get ratings to drive advertising revenue.

[Fritz]

Jim Cramer's job isn't to pick winning stocks. It's to get ratings to drive advertising revenue.

In the same way, a few of the Packerrats have taken up the job of not posting intelligent football commentary, but to say moronic things about certain Packer players and/or coaches, which results in an uptick of responses to said moronory, which drives up clicks.

Sometimes, I take on that role. I take my role as a moronic football commentator very seriously. Just trying to do my part.

Fire Guter now!

[sharpe1027]

In the same way, a few of the Packerrats have taken up the job of not posting intelligent football commentary, but to say moronic things about certain Packer players and/or coaches, which results in an uptick of responses to said moronory, which drives up clicks.

Sometimes, I take on that role. I take my role as a moronic football commentator very seriously. Just trying to do my part.

Fire Guter now!

That's the wonder of the Interwebs. Same thing happens everywhere.

[CaptainKickass]

In the same way, a few of the Packerrats have taken up the job of not posting intelligent football commentary, but to say moronic things about certain Packer players and/or coaches, which results in an uptick of responses to said moronory, which drives up clicks.

Sometimes, I take on that role. I take my role as a moronic football commentator very seriously. Just trying to do my part.

Fire Guter now!

[bobblehead]

Jim Cramer's job isn't to pick winning stocks. It's to get ratings to drive advertising revenue.

He was once a hedgefund manager. He should have the investing knowledge to do both. And end of the day if you are giving bad advice on a regular basis I would hope people would stop watching you. But Jim has connections. He did then and he does now, therefore he keeps his own show.

[sharpe1027]

He was once a hedgefund manager. He should have the investing knowledge to do both. And end of the day if you are giving bad advice on a regular basis I would hope people would stop watching you. But Jim has connections. He did then and he does now, therefore he keeps his own show.

He doesn't keep his show unless he's bringing in ad revenue. In that sense he's qualified for his job. Any assumptions about whether or not he needs to show good results with his advice only matter in that context

He's not getting paid for his advice by anyone watching his show.

[bobblehead]

He doesn't keep his show unless he's bringing in ad revenue. In that sense he's qualified for his job. Any assumptions about whether or not he needs to show good results with his advice only matter in that context

He's not getting paid for his advice by anyone watching his show.

I'll agree to disagree. When your show is based on the premise that he is giving you advice on investing and even as specific as individual stocks I personally think its incredibly irresponsible to knowingly suck at it. He is being billed as an expert. We aren't talking fantasy football advice here, we are talking about people who are banking some portion of their retirement funds and such on his advice.

Admittedly its a sore spot with me because despite how I come across sometimes I want people to succeed and thrive in life, not be conned into pissing their money away. Its why I go on a tirade when I hear a politician say things like "we can't trust peoples retirement dollars to the risky stock market." If I had a dollar for everytime I told people, "no, that stock is so wildly overvalued its not a good buy" only to have them lose money by ignoring me because a guy like Cramer said "BUY BUY" much louder...well, I'd have at least a 20 on me right now.

[sharpe1027]

I'll agree to disagree. When your show is based on the premise that he is giving you advice on investing and even as specific as individual stocks I personally think its incredibly irresponsible to knowingly suck at it. He is being billed as an expert. We aren't talking fantasy football advice here, we are talking about people who are banking some portion of their retirement funds and such on his advice.

Admittedly its a sore spot with me because despite how I come across sometimes I want people to succeed and thrive in life, not be conned into pissing their money away. Its why I go on a tirade when I hear a politician say things like "we can't trust peoples retirement dollars to the risky stock market." If I had a dollar for everytime I told people, "no, that stock is so wildly overvalued its not a good buy" only to have them lose money by ignoring me because a guy like Cramer said "BUY BUY" much louder...well, I'd have at least a 20 on me right now.

I'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying. I think we're talking past each other. I'm not saying it's responsible or that I have any respect for what he does. I also think he offers terrible advice.

You say his job requires him to provide accurate investment advice to be qualified. I say his job is a TV personality that makes money for his employer, and that doesn't require accurate investment advice.

I am willing to bet his employer agrees with me.

[Fritz]

I'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying. I think we're talking past each other. I'm not saying it's responsible or that I have any respect for what he does. I also think he offers terrible advice.

You say his job requires him to provide accurate investment advice to be qualified. I say his job is a TV personality that makes money for his employer, and that doesn't require accurate investment advice.

I am willing to bet his employer agrees with me.

Make Jim Cramer the next ESPN draft expert! He won’t have to know what he’s talking about; he just has to appear that he knows what he’s talking about.