IN GUTEBAG, DO YOU REALLY TRUST ?????

[sharpe1027]

Make Jim Cramer the next ESPN draft expert! He won’t have to know what he’s talking about; he just has to appear that he knows what he’s talking about.

Yes. Exactly.

[Patler]

He's (Jim Cramer) not getting paid for his advice by anyone watching his show.

Actually, he is.

CNBC went all in on Jim Cramer a few years back and now sells memberships to their investment club, which is basically Just more Jim Cramer content. Cramer ended the relationships he had had previously with other pay services and is now exclusively with CNBC, as I understand it. CNBC members get exclusive access to the trades made in his charitable trust, daily commentary from him on the market, etc. They hold periodic online meetings etc.

When it started, they offered free access for a limited time. Out of curiosity, I signed up for the free period, in large part just to see what he actually owned in his charitable trust at the time. As I suspected, the "exclusive" content from Cramer wasn't much more than a mega-dose of what he does for free every day on CNBC. He wasn't anymore insightful or accurate and basically talked up the same stocks.

I've never understood the fascination so many have in what he has to say.

[MadtownPacker]

I'll agree to disagree. When your show is based on the premise that he is giving you advice on investing and even as specific as individual stocks I personally think its incredibly irresponsible to knowingly suck at it. He is being billed as an expert. We aren't talking fantasy football advice here, we are talking about people who are banking some portion of their retirement funds and such on his advice.

Admittedly it’s a sore spot with me because despite how I come across sometimes I want people to succeed and thrive in life, not be conned into pissing their money away. It’s why I go on a tirade when I hear a politician say things like "we can't trust peoples retirement dollars to the risky stock market." If I had a dollar for everytime I told people, "no, that stock is so wildly overvalued its not a good buy" only to have them lose money by ignoring me because a guy like Cramer said "BUY BUY" much louder...well, I'd have at least a 20 on me right now.

Can you just explain to me why man????

[sharpe1027]

Actually, he is.

CNBC went all in on Jim Cramer a few years back and now sells memberships to their investment club, which is basically Just more Jim Cramer content. Cramer ended the relationships he had had previously with other pay services and is now exclusively with CNBC, as I understand it. CNBC members get exclusive access to the trades made in his charitable trust, daily commentary from him on the market, etc. They hold periodic online meetings etc.

When it started, they offered free access for a limited time. Out of curiosity, I signed up for the free period, in large part just to see what he actually owned in his charitable trust at the time. As I suspected, the "exclusive" content from Cramer wasn't much more than a mega-dose of what he does for free every day on CNBC. He wasn't anymore insightful or accurate and basically talked up the same stocks.

I've never understood the fascination so many have in what he has to say.

Interesting, I'd still go back to the original point. If he's making CNBC money with the investment club, that's the objective measurement of his qualifications. If he's giving terrible investment advice while doing so, that just means people are stupid. It doesn't mean he's only got the job because of his connections.

[Bretsky]

In the same way, a few of the Packerrats have taken up the job of not posting intelligent football commentary, but to say moronic things about certain Packer players and/or coaches, which results in an uptick of responses to said moronory, which drives up clicks.

Sometimes, I take on that role. I take my role as a moronic football commentator very seriously. Just trying to do my part.

Fire Guter now!

How many All Pro's has Gute drafted ? Gamechangers ? How many 1st round draft picks has he used on the DL and LB position? Did they take a step forward or backwards last year?

I'm fine with Gute; but I'm not crowning him until he wins a Super Bowl. Are we moving in the right direction ? It's a curious question. Does taking high RAS players over players with a better football pedigree work ? Does stacking a roster with young guys with little value for veteran leadership work ?

I am just not sure this team is moving in the right direction. I'm just not sure anymore.

[Spaulding]

How many All Pro's has Gute drafted ? Gamechangers ? How many 1st round draft picks has he used on the DL and LB position? Did they take a step forward or backwards last year?

I'm fine with Gute; but I'm not crowning him until he wins a Super Bowl. Are we moving in the right direction ? It's a curious question. Does taking high RAS players over players with a better football pedigree work ? Does stacking a roster with young guys with little value for veteran leadership work ?

I am just not sure this team is moving in the right direction. I'm just not sure anymore.

Fair questions. Much is in the eye of the beholder and the results on the field. Since Gute has been GM the team starting with the 2018 draft I see his results as the following:

2018 - minus draft (Alexander and not much more)
2019 - plus draft (Gary, Jenkins and Savage)
2020 - ??? depending on how Love pans out (at best a homerun and at worst an average draft)
2021 - average draft (Myers. Stokes, Slaton, McDuffie)
2022 - homerun (Walker, Wyatt, Watkins, Tom, Rhyan, Doubs, Engabare)
2023 - homerun (Van Ness, Musgrave, Reed, Kraft, Wooden, Wicks, Brooks, Valentine)
2024 - ???? depending on how Morgan turns out as Cooper and Williams look great and too early to know what we have with Bullard, Monk, Hopper, etc.

Seems that he swings for the fences in round 1 with RAS upside and rarely hits but that his second and third day drafting is better than most.

Combine his overall decent drafting and willingness to use FA more than Thompson to plug holes and I like what I see. Far from perfect but if you grade him against the other 31 GM's he does shine a little more favorable.

[bobblehead]

Can you just explain to me why man????

I'm happy to except:

I covered a lot.....which part?

[MadtownPacker]

I'm happy to except:

I covered a lot.....which part?

You started derailing the thread then crossed the line, again, bringing up politicians. Why when you know better is my question????

Another is WHY are you putting me in a shitty spot where I’m going to have to ban you right before the draft?

[Fritz]

Fair questions. Much is in the eye of the beholder and the results on the field. Since Gute has been GM the team starting with the 2018 draft I see his results as the following:

2018 - minus draft (Alexander and not much more)
2019 - plus draft (Gary, Jenkins and Savage)
2020 - ??? depending on how Love pans out (at best a homerun and at worst an average draft)
2021 - average draft (Myers. Stokes, Slaton, McDuffie)
2022 - homerun (Walker, Wyatt, Watkins, Tom, Rhyan, Doubs, Engabare)
2023 - homerun (Van Ness, Musgrave, Reed, Kraft, Wooden, Wicks, Brooks, Valentine)
2024 - ???? depending on how Morgan turns out as Cooper and Williams look great and too early to know what we have with Bullard, Monk, Hopper, etc.

Seems that he swings for the fences in round 1 with RAS upside and rarely hits but that his second and third day drafting is better than most.

Combine his overall decent drafting and willingness to use FA more than Thompson to plug holes and I like what I see. Far from perfect but if you grade him against the other 31 GM's he does shine a little more favorable.

I got stuck when you listed Savage as part of a "plus" draft. Darnell Savage?

[bobblehead]

You started derailing the thread then crossed the line, again, bringing up politicians. Why when you know better is my question????

Another is WHY are you putting me in a shitty spot where I’m going to have to ban you right before the draft?

Ok. I feel like you played a little 6 degrees to kevin bacon there, but I did make a general reference to "politicians". I honestly didn't even give it a thought about it being a political statement or position, but rules are rules.

[Spaulding]

I got stuck when you listed Savage as part of a "plus" draft. Darnell Savage?

I included Savage only because he was a starter for us (which defines drafts even if in the end disappointing after showing flashes in 2020) and still managed to garner a 3yr 21million dollar second contract.

[Fritz]

I understand - different standards for what a "successful" pick is. For me, the fact that they traded up to get him, and that he ended up being a pretty "meh" safety whose second contract was not for all that much, tells me that, as a first-round pick, he was a bust. But I get what you're saying.

[Spaulding]

Definitely a "bust" from that standpoint for a costly first round pick and so probably should have omitted him and only listed Gary (who has his own challenges but is at least a solid starter) and Jenkins (whose a stud OL). As for a rating of Gute, I'd think a 7 out of 10 seems about right. Some great seasons but no NFC championship games or owl. So could be better but obviously far worse (see Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Saints, Titans, Colts, Jagquars, etc.).

[Patler]

Darnell Savage is far from a first round bust. In 6 seasons he has played in 85 games and has started 82 of them. Not every first-round pick turns into an All-Pro. The slot following Savage, the Eagles took Andre Dillard, who has started just 19 games in six seasons.

[Spaulding]

Darnell Savage is far from a first round bust. In 6 seasons he has played in 85 games and has started 82 of them. Not every first-round pick turns into an All-Pro. The slot following Savage, the Eagles took Andre Dillard, who has started just 19 games in six seasons.

Excellent point Patler. Unfortunately for Darnell is that the fanbase wanted Nick Collins 2.0 and got an average starter. In the end though I guess you win with the latter and so I probably shouldn't bitch