Why Matthew Golden was the Right Pick

[SudsMcBucky]

There is no doubt in my mind GB was offerred, at minimum, that same deal, possibly more. However, I told my son that there was no way the Packers were trading that pick unless it was for a stupid amount/quality of picks to move out of the first round. Now, if this draft were held in ANY other city this year, I also have no doubt Gute woulda jumped all over that trade offer.

[sharpe1027]

Didn't say I knew it, but if the Giants offered it for 25, why wouldn't they have reached out and made the offer at 23. It was obvious the packers were fielding offers. I mean, its not like the guy they coveted wasn't there at 23, but was at 25. But I guess its possible they had 2 guys in mind and when one went they made the offer.

By that logic, they must have offered for the first overall pick. If the offered for 23, why wouldn't they offer for 21? If they have offered for 21, why wouldn't they have offered for 19? Etc.

There is a point teams think they can move up and there's a player worth it. Maybe they thought it was 23 and offered something to the Packers. Maybe they thought it was 24 or 25 and didn't.

[Patler]

FWIW, an online article last week, said to be based on inside info, stated that the Giants had approached GB for a trade. Packers weren't interested because they could get a player they really wanted, so Giants went to others.

I meant to link the article here last week, because it implied how much GB really wanted Golden. I didn't, now I can't find it. Don't remember who wrote it or how credible it really was.

[Fritz]

FWIW, an online article last week, said to be based on inside info, stated that the Giants had approached GB for a trade. Packers weren't interested because they could get a player they really wanted, so Giants went to others.

I meant to link the article here last week, because it implied how much GB really wanted Golden. I didn't, now I can't find it. Don't remember who wrote it or how credible it really was.

If that is so, then the Packers really did like Golden particularly, or thought the dropoff in talent between 23 and 34 was not worth having the extra third (99th pick) and the '26 third rounder.

Either way, they liked Golden better than the package offered, and the package seemed pretty generous, so . . . they liked The Golden Shower.

May he reign for years over opposing defensive backs . . .

[bobblehead]

By that logic, they must have offered for the first overall pick. If the offered for 23, why wouldn't they offer for 21? If they have offered for 21, why wouldn't they have offered for 19? Etc.

There is a point teams think they can move up and there's a player worth it. Maybe they thought it was 23 and offered something to the Packers. Maybe they thought it was 24 or 25 and didn't.

Now you are just being obtuse. I imagine they did offer a 2nd and two 3rds for 1 overall. /sarc

And honestly, I can imagine they were inquiring at 21 already. I would say it was likely even.

[sharpe1027]

Now you are just being obtuse. I imagine they did offer a 2nd and two 3rds for 1 overall. /sarc

And honestly, I can imagine they were inquiring at 21 already. I would say it was likely even.

No, I'm not. I just showed why you can't know they offered something to the Packers just because they offered to someone else nearby. The logic fails because you could say that for every trade ever made, and it's just not true. Is it possible? Most definitely. Just can't be sure is all.

Trades happen without the team two slots prior having been offered something similar.

[bobblehead]

No, I'm not. I just showed why you can't know they offered something to the Packers just because they offered to someone else nearby. The logic fails because you could say that for every trade ever made, and it's just not true. Is it possible? Most definitely. Just can't be sure is all.

Trades happen without the team two slots prior having been offered something similar.

Again, I never said I KNEW it. Your strawman, not my words. I said I believed it based on reasons that made sense. So if you want to get off your high horse with your strawman argument we can move on. Or you can keep being obtuse.

[sharpe1027]

Again, I never said I KNEW it. Your strawman, not my words. I said I believed it based on reasons that made sense. So if you want to get off your high horse with your strawman argument we can move on. Or you can keep being obtuse.

Now who's being obtuse? Replace "knee" with " have to believe" in my post and we can both move on to a new topic.

[bobblehead]

Now who's being obtuse? Replace "knee" with " have to believe" in my post and we can both move on to a new topic.

I'm assuming you meant "knew or know". I agree, if you change the words that I said then you would be correct....and dishonest.

[run pMc]

So.. was Golden the right pick?



Honestly, when they were up at 23 and I saw who was there I was hoping for Will Johnson or a trade down but figured they'd take Golden.
In hindsight, I'm fine with the pick. Johnson has some scary knee issues -- the rumor I read was that he had some cartilage in one knee put in the bad knee to help jumpstart healing -- yikes.

The trade down offer from Atlanta would have been more appealing to get what could be a top 10 R1 next year, but I think getting a WR with decent hands and runs a 4.29 isn't bad either.

[sharpe1027]

I'm assuming you meant "knew or know". I agree, if you change the words that I said then you would be correct....and dishonest.

I substituted "knew" for the exact words you said. I see almost no substantive difference and my point is relevant either way. Dishonest? Okaaaaay.

[sharpe1027]

So.. was Golden the right pick?



Honestly, when they were up at 23 and I saw who was there I was hoping for Will Johnson or a trade down but figured they'd take Golden.
In hindsight, I'm fine with the pick. Johnson has some scary knee issues -- the rumor I read was that he had some cartilage in one knee put in the bad knee to help jumpstart healing -- yikes.

The trade down offer from Atlanta would have been more appealing to get what could be a top 10 R1 next year, but I think getting a WR with decent hands and runs a 4.29 isn't bad either.

Fine with the pick. At a minimum, this at least shakes things up for the existing guys and elevates the competition.

[bobblehead]

I substituted "knew" for the exact words you said. I see almost no substantive difference and my point is relevant either way. Dishonest? Okaaaaay.

This is old, so I'll drop it after this. "have to believe" is clearly my opinion, not a statement of fact. Knew, as in "knew for fact" is not an opinion. Yes, dishonest. Ok, you're free to have the last word now, I'm done with it.

[sharpe1027]

This is old, so I'll drop it after this. "have to believe" is clearly my opinion, not a statement of fact. Knew, as in "knew for fact" is not an opinion. Yes, dishonest. Ok, you're free to have the last word now, I'm done with it.

I will apologize for being sloppy by saying shorthand for what your point was. My point is remains the same. It's not justified to think the Packers where offered the same just because they where two spots away. I'd bet it happens half the time or less, but neither of us really know. I'm not being dishonest. That's just not the case.

Also, RELAX! It's just a discussion .

[Bretsky]

Golden was the right pick, although I personally think he is a little on the smaller side and his route running still needs development. He does a really nice job of adjusting to the ball when it is in the air. He has fantastic body control especially catching the ball in tight space and along the sideline. His hands are fantastic and has the ability to make circus type catches. He doesn't let the proximity of defenders interfere with his focus on catching the ball. Most importantly he has speed that is of the elite level. I would like to see him have better burst after catch, it's sort of like he needs to find openings before he can really get going, he might lack some instincts in that department.

Why was he the right pick? I think the tiers at the other need position were still stacked with talented players. Whether that was at defensive tackle, and edge. At positions like corner and especially with Will Johnsons medicals there weren't any players available that warranted the 23rd selection in this draft. I don't think the Packers were going to take an offensive lineman in the first round, but there was a significant run on them earlier in the draft. Golden was the last receiver left in my Tier 1 group of receivers.

I am fine with the logic, and kinda agreee............but wasn't there only one top tier CB avaialble too ?

I thought there were still some very good WR's there in round 2.