Official OTA/Minicamp Thread

[pittstang5]

....There are already five locks: Jayden Reed, Romeo Doubs, Dontayvion Wicks, Savion Williams, and The Golden Shower......

I've got a feeling or maybe it's more of a want, that Doubs could be traded at some point. His little episode that he pulled last year rubbed me the wrong way and has me thinking he's not in the long term plans for the Packers. I believe 2025 is his last year and he's a UFA next year. He's good, but I won't lose sleep if he leaves.

[MadScientist]

I've got a feeling or maybe it's more of a want, that Doubs could be traded at some point. His little episode that he pulled last year rubbed me the wrong way and has me thinking he's not in the long term plans for the Packers. I believe 2025 is his last year and he's a UFA next year. He's good, but I won't lose sleep if he leaves.

If Doubs plays well enough to have any team willing to pony up something for him, then the only way the Packers can trade him is if they are totally out of it early, or they have a big hole where another team has a solution and a need for a WR. The second could happen by the odds aren't great, and I don't think anyone here wants the first case to happen. Unfortunately, the more likely scenario is that he bangs his head again and is done. For his sake, I hope that doesn't happen, but concussions are easy to come by in the NFL especially if a player has had some bad ones.

[Patler]

If Doubs plays well enough to have any team willing to pony up something for him, then the only way the Packers can trade him is if they are totally out of it early, or they have a big hole where another team has a solution and a need for a WR. The second could happen by the odds aren't great, and I don't think anyone here wants the first case to happen. Unfortunately, the more likely scenario is that he bangs his head again and is done. For his sake, I hope that doesn't happen, but concussions are easy to come by in the NFL especially if a player has had some bad ones.

I can see another scenario which will require several of the following:

- Wicks finally meets expectations (maybe "hopes").
- Golden is as good as hoped.
- Williams finds his own niche in the offense.
- Kraft really takes off as a receiving tight end.
- Musgrave finally stays healthy and gives an exciting 2TE option.
- They believe Watson will be available sooner rather than later.

If several of the above happen (doesn't need to be all of them) the need for Doubs diminishes. Generally, a number of teams need WRs. A mid-round draft pick in 2026 might be more enticing than a comp pick in 2027.

[Fritz]

Possible. But he does bring a sense of consistency (outside the looming concussions) insofar as he's pretty reliable with his hands and getting that third-down conversion. Someone would have to - as you suggested - step up to that role. Unfortunately, I think MadS is correct - the most probable scenario out of the above possibilities is that the guy ends up with another concussion. Sad.

IF that does not happen, I'd imagine Watson's return would be a huge factor. If he can come back and play a few games before the playoffs, the need for Doubs diminishes if Wicks et al step up. But players, even once they come back, often need into that second year to fully recover. So it's hard to say how effective Watson would be if he did come back this year.

No matter what happens, though, I think most of us would agree that Doubs will not be a Green Bay Packer next year. Kinda like Rasheed Walker.

[MadtownPacker]

I’m the biggest, if not the only Doubs supporter here. I hate to say it but he is too damaged. Can’t see him lasting many games after how last year went.

[bobblehead]

I've got a feeling or maybe it's more of a want, that Doubs could be traded at some point. His little episode that he pulled last year rubbed me the wrong way and has me thinking he's not in the long term plans for the Packers. I believe 2025 is his last year and he's a UFA next year. He's good, but I won't lose sleep if he leaves.

I won't lose sleep, but I don't put Doubs in the Jaire category for punk. I think Doubs has some issues. Maybe depression. Just the way the team rallied around him and made sure to offer support. The concussions bother me a lot and I don't think he is long for the packers, but I don't think he commands much in trade value either so I'm very Meh on trading him.

[bobblehead]

Possible. But he does bring a sense of consistency (outside the looming concussions) insofar as he's pretty reliable with his hands and getting that third-down conversion. Someone would have to - as you suggested - step up to that role. Unfortunately, I think MadS is correct - the most probable scenario out of the above possibilities is that the guy ends up with another concussion. Sad.

IF that does not happen, I'd imagine Watson's return would be a huge factor. If he can come back and play a few games before the playoffs, the need for Doubs diminishes if Wicks et al step up. But players, even once they come back, often need into that second year to fully recover. So it's hard to say how effective Watson would be if he did come back this year.

No matter what happens, though, I think most of us would agree that Doubs will not be a Green Bay Packer next year. Kinda like Rasheed Walker.

I'm not convinced Walker is gone. If he takes another (even small) step forward it catapults him into a top 10-15 LT and you don't let those guys walk, you pay them. If on the other hand he is maxed out, then you let him walk and take the hopefully 3rd rounder comp pick. I still think if Belton and/or Morgan show enough in camp a final roster trade is possible.

[Patler]

I won't lose sleep, but I don't put Doubs in the Jaire category for punk. I think Doubs has some issues. Maybe depression. Just the way the team rallied around him and made sure to offer support. The concussions bother me a lot and I don't think he is long for the packers, but I don't think he commands much in trade value either so I'm very Meh on trading him.

I agree with all of this. I read a multi-part article on Doubs somewhere, perhaps "Go Long" that gave me the impression that Doubs has problems as you suggest, and I agree about the episode last year and how the team reacted. I think at heart he is a good dude.

Teams tolerate quirky personalities as long as their performance is worth whatever hassle comes with it. Not sure Doubs sets the bar real high. He's a good player, but not a star.

Sadly, the concussions could be the deciding factor.

[Patler]

I'm not convinced Walker is gone. If he takes another (even small) step forward it catapults him into a top 10-15 LT and you don't let those guys walk, you pay them. If on the other hand he is maxed out, then you let him walk and take the hopefully 3rd rounder comp pick. I still think if Belton and/or Morgan show enough in camp a final roster trade is possible.

Walker will be interesting to watch this year. He started the season quite poorly last year, and it lasted a few games anyway. That type of inconsistency is not dismissed easily in pro sports. Those types of players often bounce from team to team but always find jobs. Their existing teams get frustrated with the inconsistent play and look to replace them. Teams with a need at their positions see the good parts of their play and view it as an upgrade for them. Plus, most coaches think that THEY can fix players others couldn't.

[Fritz]

There's always that fear that maybe you gave up on a guy too soon. Rasul Douglas, for the Cards, and - I can't remember the last name - Lawrence something-or-other, who played for the Pack for a bit, but ended up in New England for a number of years. Not a gangbusters guy, but I think a solid rotational piece.

But in year three, for Walker, you'd think the consistency would be there. But yes, it'll be interesting to watch - what if he in fact plays consistently well this year? Then what? Do you still prioritize Quay Walker, Devonte Wyatt, and Zach Tom? Or do you drag out negotiations with Quay and Devonte to see if one gets hurt or doesn't play well, and if that happens, you set your sights on Rasheed Walker? Lots of moving pieces, as they say. and what if, toward the end of the season, Christian Watson comes back? And plays well? Hoo boy.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I can't remember the last name - Lawrence something-or-other, who played for the Pack for a bit, but ended up in New England for a number of years…Not a gangbusters Guy.

There you go. You remember his name.

[smuggler]

You absolutely let the #15 LT walk in a contract year when you believe you have the #10 LT on a rookie deal for a few more years.

Remember, the #15 LT is going to be paid like a #5 LT in the open market.

[bobblehead]

There's always that fear that maybe you gave up on a guy too soon. Rasul Douglas, for the Cards, and - I can't remember the last name - Lawrence something-or-other, who played for the Pack for a bit, but ended up in New England for a number of years. Not a gangbusters guy, but I think a solid rotational piece.

But in year three, for Walker, you'd think the consistency would be there. But yes, it'll be interesting to watch - what if he in fact plays consistently well this year? Then what? Do you still prioritize Quay Walker, Devonte Wyatt, and Zach Tom? Or do you drag out negotiations with Quay and Devonte to see if one gets hurt or doesn't play well, and if that happens, you set your sights on Rasheed Walker? Lots of moving pieces, as they say. and what if, toward the end of the season, Christian Watson comes back? And plays well? Hoo boy.

Wyatt is under contract next year, no rush. Quay, imo, will lose his job to Simmons. Tom is the only "must sign now" guy. Walker is the guy who we could gamble now that he takes another step. Most of his issues are mental at this point (pre snap penalties, Lazy hands on run blocks.) He could take the last step. He has all the physical tools. If he does, you simply don't let him walk. I don't even think they would trade him in that scenario. I like the set up right now WAY more than I did at the end of last year, but thats because I think we added 3 really good OL. We needed help there and we brought in a FA and 2 quality picks. Add Morgan stepping up and we potentially have the deepest room in the league. Now if we can flip Walker for a quality CB I'm all in.

[bobblehead]

You absolutely let the #15 LT walk in a contract year when you believe you have the #10 LT on a rookie deal for a few more years.

Remember, the #15 LT is going to be paid like a #5 LT in the open market.

Well, I said 10-15 if he steps up. From 8-15 there is very little difference. And no, teams don't let those guys walk. Too hard to predictably replace. At worst you trade him if you really believe you have an equal on a rookie deal.

[Fritz]

And that's the key: is Morgan the equivalent of Rasheed Walker, or will he be by mid-season?