Official 2025 Training Camp Thread

[Joemailman]

Wow. So many injuries now in this training camp. Are teams being more careful than ever, or have the players and the game changed? I know the players are far stronger, bigger, and faster than they were 50 years ago.

It used to be the injury de jour was the hamstring. Now it's the calf. About three or four guys out with calf injuries.

I wonder if these players have maxed out the human body in terms of strength and conditioning. There seem to be just so, so many injuries now. And I don't think it's just the Packers.

I wonder if guys focus too much on building muscle and not enough on maintaining flexibility.

[bobblehead]

I'd take him over Morgran, still

I'm torn on this as I liked Morgan a lot coming out (but thought we might get him in the 2nd). I can't sour on a guy I wanted just cuz we took him 20 picks too early. Plus Morgan is showing why he is an LT not a RG. He looked good in the Jets game.

That said, DeJean plays the premium position we were short at and the team does have a good history of developing OL. Walker is a good LT, not great, so there was no real need imo. Drafting Morgan solved zero problms while potentially creating one. DeJean would have solved multiple problems much better than Bullard did.

[Joemailman]

If Morgan turns out to be an above average LT, Bullard a solid Slot/SS, and Cooper an elite LB, I will have no problem with not drafting DeJean.

[texaspackerbacker]

Regarding Fritz's and Joe's posts above about injuries: I think part of it is reporting things that in the past hardly got reported or even noticed. Also, a lot more "procedures" - like the Love thing that have resulted in a procedure or with that procedure being reported in the past. In addition, yeah I do think the emphasis on muscle building and fitness in general nowadays may result (rather ironically) in more injuries, not less. Some of us are old enough to remember Max McGee and Fuzzy Thurston and their fitness regimens. Back in the day, there undoubtedly weren't as many soft tissue injuries as now (I can see a couple of "truth squaders" in here scrambling to disprove that hahahaha). My own personal experience at age 78 is that not doing things the modern crap - stretching, other forms of fitness, etc., not to even mention the idiocy of diet and nutrition that they push nowadays, and I've literally never had problems like many of today's athletes.

Basically, there's a lot of bogus crap pushed nowadays, both procedurally and statistically.

[bobblehead]

If Morgan turns out to be an above average LT, Bullard a solid Slot/SS, and Cooper an elite LB, I will have no problem with not drafting DeJean.

Even if continued sub par CB play sinks our chances at an Owl year after year?

[Joemailman]

Even if continued sub par CB play sinks our chances at an Owl year after year?

You think subpar CB play is why the Packers lost in the playoffs to the Eagles? Packers scored 10 points and turned the ball over 4 times. Jalen Hurts had 131 yards passing. And you blame the CB play?

[MadScientist]

Regarding Fritz's and Joe's posts above about injuries: I think part of it is reporting things that in the past hardly got reported or even noticed. Also, a lot more "procedures" - like the Love thing that have resulted in a procedure or with that procedure being reported in the past. In addition, yeah I do think the emphasis on muscle building and fitness in general nowadays may result (rather ironically) in more injuries, not less. Some of us are old enough to remember Max McGee and Fuzzy Thurston and their fitness regimens. Back in the day, there undoubtedly weren't as many soft tissue injuries as now (I can see a couple of "truth squaders" in here scrambling to disprove that hahahaha). My own personal experience at age 78 is that not doing things the modern crap - stretching, other forms of fitness, etc., not to even mention the idiocy of diet and nutrition that they push nowadays, and I've literally never had problems like many of today's athletes.

Basically, there's a lot of bogus crap pushed nowadays, both procedurally and statistically.

The problem is that if they don't commit to muscle building and fitness regiments, they will not be at the level physically to compete with others that do. So they push themselves to be at the limits of human abilities. And yes, by doing so, they wind up with a much greater risk of being pushed beyond the limits and injuring something. A team made up of NFL practice squad players would flatten Lombardi's best, so whatever regiment they did is completely irrelevant.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe. (BTW. it's regimen, not regiment). Some of that undoubtedly is necessary. It also, however, might have something to do with the injuries, heavier built up hamstrings and calf muscles, etc. being more likely to sprain or strain, and bulked up legs putting more stress on knew cartilage, Achilles tendons, etc. - tissue that is what it is and doesn't get "fitter" with exercise (somebody correct me if I'm medically wrong about that).

[sharpe1027]

Every year is the worst year for injuries. We all have short memories. I'm not convinced injuries are any worse than the were ten years ago.

[Joemailman]

Two very nice pass rush moves by Van Ness. He's not just bull rushing anymore.

https://x.com/i/status/1955812134190723353
https://x.com/i/status/1955811287302332869

[Bretsky]

That may very well be true, but just because damn media pukes say so doesn't make it true. My take is that he used to be good, but for whatever reason, he got old at too young an age - and thus won't be very good for whoever he plays for next.

Jaire was amazing; and he was smash mouth, very physical,and a great tackler....until his injury...then he just wasn't the same.

He's with the Ravens now

[Fritz]

Two very nice pass rush moves by Van Ness. He's not just bull rushing anymore.

https://x.com/i/status/1955812134190723353
https://x.com/i/status/1955811287302332869

If the lights really have gone on for this kid - if - then that'd be a major development for this defense. Major.

[RandsRevenge]

You think subpar CB play is why the Packers lost in the playoffs to the Eagles? Packers scored 10 points and turned the ball over 4 times. Jalen Hurts had 131 yards passing. And you blame the CB play?

It's bizarre to think it, but with a healthy O, they probably win that game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It's bizarre to think it, but with a healthy O, they probably win that game.

How’s young Shedeur doing in the dump known as Cleveland?

Disclaimer: I ain’t ever been to Cleveland before.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Sorry, was playing poker.

Disclosure: Ain’t ever been to Cleveland before.