Fire Kurt Schottenheimer thread

[GBRulz]

I disagree. McCarthy is going to hold people accountable, especially when it is an overall reflection on him.

I love you, my dear, but do you really believe that rhetoric? Do you really believe M3 is calling the shots?

TT gave M3 complete control over the hiring of his coaches, so yeah, I guess I do believe that. M3 has publicy called out the poor job done by the coaching (Zig posted it earlier)...plus a couple players have already lost starting jobs by not performing.

I actually have more faith in M3 than I do with TT....even though that's not saying much.

[FavreChild]

M3 is no more in control of the Packers than Dubya is in control of the White House. In either case, it's not saying much.

M3's quote about "accountability"....that doesn't mean squat. Sure, I trust M3 more than TT, too....trust that M3 is completely out of his league.

If y'all give M3 "credit" for the decent first half play calling, then y'all have to blame him for the non-adjustments in the second half, and horrendous play calling.

Sure, I'd like to find a silver lining with M3 as much as y'all do. I don't hate the guy; and it's not his "fault" - but he still has no business being an NFL head coach. I don't appreciate my team, the most hallowed team in the league, playing host to amateur hour.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't really have any problems with the playcalling in either half. The problems with coaching are on the defensive side. His defensive staff is his biggest downfall right now. Offensively, I have no qualms with the playcalling.

[Terry]

Why do I see people here (and elsewhere) calling for Lionel Washington to be promoted? He's been there throughout the process of undeveloping Ahmad Carroll. What makes anyone think he'd do better if he were promoted?

[jack's smirking revenge]

To me, the promotion of Lionel Washington does not send a signal to anyone that we're looking to fix the problem. Honestly, I don't know much about him, but with all of the problems we're having in our secondary right now--compared to the decent level of play they had last year--I would think the influx of new blood would be the best direction. Bates may have been THE MAN that kept the secondary team fighting and, now, without any leadership at all, chaos and futility have taken over.

I guess I don't support the promotion of Washington. Can anyone give us an alternate POV? Why should he be promoted? What has he done to warrant taking over for Schittenheimer?

tyler

[LaFours]

I am unable to respond to your challenge Jack's...but I did want to bump this thread up.

Schottentheheiny simply sucks. I see no immediate remedy to this problem. I only hope that this offseason, when McCarthy gets a second chance to augment his defensive coaching staff (and I am assuming here that Mr. ...heiny is not the only one sent packing), that he puts a little more thought into the process. No more hiring failures. Shit I'd rather see him pick someone who hasn't done it on this level but shows promise than picking a no good rat a second time.

If it looks like it, and smells like it, then it probably is.

[Tarlam!]

"Schottentheheiny"

Now that's original and funny!

[Tarlam!]

Bump. This thread should only die when our mission is completed.

FIRE THE GUY, ALREADY!!

[Kiwon]

It's Game Day. Time to fire up this thread.

[Fosco33]

It's Game Day. Time to fire up this thread.

If we give up a bunch of plays >25 yards for the 5th straight week, can we get past the PC bullshit about keeping positional coaches during your first year.

Shithouse has ruined a potentially average secondary to '04 days again.


"Sorry, you lose; don't call us - we'll call you." It's that easy - if you want, I'll do it

[MJZiggy]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

[Fosco33]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

[MJZiggy]

Nice read, Fosco. It's not that often that you read an article with Sanders' viewpoint in it.

[Tarlam!]

Well, I guess the Packers.com people didn't quite get it right:

http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/

He's listed as their secondary coach, meaning, he is the guy Washington reports to...

[wist43]

I didn't really have any problems with the playcalling in either half. The problems with coaching are on the defensive side. His defensive staff is his biggest downfall right now. Offensively, I have no qualms with the playcalling.

Believe it or not, I'm with ya on this one Harv...

I've been pleasently surprised that M3 has gotten the offense moving fairly well, despite the absence of a running game. They've got to get the running game going though; if they don't, teams will just sell out on Favre and the offense will wilt - I fear.