Official Packers vs. Lions Discussion Thread

[Joemailman]

Packers lead all-time series 106-78-7. 104-78-7 in regular season, 2-0 in playoffs.

Lions have won 6 of the last 7, including last 3 at Lambeau.

Last meeting: December 5, 2024. Lions defeated the Packers 34-31 at Ford Field.

Jordan Love threw for 206 yards and 1 TD. Christian Watson caught 4 passes for 114 yards. Josh Jacobs rushed for 66 yards and 3 TD's.

For the Lions, Jared Goff threw for 288 yards and 3 TD's. Tim Patrick had 2 TD catches. Jameson Williams had 5 catches for 80 yards.

Packers favored by 1.5.
Moneyball: Packers -124, Lions +106
Over/under: 48.5

[Joemailman]

Looks like Reed might have an injury designation all year.

Green Bay Packers wide receiver Jayden Reed still isn't 100 percent and is planning to play through a significant injury to his left foot.

According to Jason Wilde of Channel 3000, Reed returned to practice on Wednesday but is dealing with a Jones fracture in his left foot -- an injury that typically requires surgery to repair and months of recovery time.

Reed, who was in a walking boot earlier this month, said he is "working through" the injury and is hoping he can use a combination of rest and treatment to play through it this season.

"Just rest, man," Reed told Wilde. "What I’ve got going on, there’s not much I can do. But I’m going to manage it and get rest and treat it.”


It's possible Reed will be a limited participant during most weeks so he can play on Sundays.

Reed said he was injured while making a cut during a training camp practice. He missed the team's Family Night practice at Lambeau Field in early August and only just returned to practice on Wednesday.

[CaptainKickass]

Reed returned to practice on Wednesday but is dealing with a Jones fracture in his left foot -- an injury that typically requires surgery to repair and months of recovery time.[/I]

I looked it up because I was all
"What the fuck is a Jones Fracture?"

Then I thought
"I should share this shit in case someone else is wondering "What the fuck is a Jones Fracture?""


Here's the aforementioned shit:

A Jones fracture is a break at the base of the fifth metatarsal, the bone on the outer side of the foot. Though it is a common injury for anyone, many athletes including football players are at a higher risk because of the regular stress they put on that area.

Treatment

Treatment for a Jones fracture can be surgical or non-surgical. Non-surgical treatment involves several weeks of limiting weight on your foot and keeping it in place using a splint, cast, or boot.

If the Jones fracture does not heal or is reinjured after non-surgical treatment, your foot and ankle surgeon may recommend surgery. Surgical treatment is also common for high-level athletes who wish to return to play sooner. One popular surgical technique is to place a screw lengthwise within the bone using an X-ray machine to guide the placement. The screw brings the fractured ends together to stabilize the fracture while it heals.

Return to Activity

Most Jones fractures will heal after 12 weeks with appropriate treatment. Once X-ray images and the surgeon’s exam show signs of healing, patients are transitioned back to activities, typically while undergoing physical therapy, explains Dr. Richardson.

According to a review featured in Foot & Ankle International (FAI), return to play following surgical treatment of Jones fractures in athletes is excellent. The time it took to return to play for the group treated with surgery was an average of 9.6 weeks, compared to an average of 13.05 weeks for the group treated non-surgically.

[Fritz]

And here I thought a Jones fracture was what happened when Mr. Jones found out Billy Paul and Mrs. Jones had a thing going on.

I don't like the rest-it-and-manage-it approach. That ends up, in my opinion, with players having shitty seasons and being in and out and everyone wondering why they suddenly suck.

Get the surgery and get him back for the playoffs.

[Joemailman]

And here I thought a Jones fracture was what happened when Mr. Jones found out Billy Paul and Mrs. Jones had a thing going on.

I don't like the rest-it-and-manage-it approach. That ends up, in my opinion, with players having shitty seasons and being in and out and everyone wondering why they suddenly suck.

Get the surgery and get him back for the playoffs.

I think adding Hardman to PS is insurance in case it comes to that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sounds like he broke his pinky toe. I hear he's back practicing.

I woulda bet against Hardman passing through waivers. He has been somewhat of a disappointment, but it's still good to keep him on the PS.

[Patler]

"Managing it" for a WR sounds like dealing with the pain while it stays broken from use during the season, then having surgery after the season. Why do I feel the likely scenario is him being in and out of games for a month or two, then giving up and having the surgery, losing him for the rest of the year?

Why didn't they do the surgery a month ago? He may have been back in early October.

[bobblehead]

Jones fractures disable NBA guys, not sure how a WR or any position that relies on sharp cuts plays with this. An OL or interior DL maybe. Not a WR though. But maybe his pain threshold is really high and he doesn't want to lose his season when the competition is only getting tougher.

[MadScientist]

Jones fractures disable NBA guys, not sure how a WR or any position that relies on sharp cuts plays with this. An OL or interior DL maybe. Not a WR though. But maybe his pain threshold is really high and he doesn't want to lose his season when the competition is only getting tougher.

He's more likely to lose his season now than if he had surgery right away. Can't see him lasting two games without it breaking again. He should have learned from Love's decision.

[texaspackerbacker]

What do you do if you have a broken finger, especially a small one? You tape it to the one(s) next to it - and get back in the game. Why can't that be done with a toe? Tape it with padded tape, which should greatly limit the pain, and then go ahead and play on it. I'm assuming he could have played on it these past two preseason games, but it not being necessary, he didn't. I'm looking for normalcy and a big game from him against Detroit, now that he is practicing again.

[Fritz]

"Managing it" for a WR sounds like dealing with the pain while it stays broken from use during the season, then having surgery after the season. Why do I feel the likely scenario is him being in and out of games for a month or two, then giving up and having the surgery, losing him for the rest of the year?

Why didn't they do the surgery a month ago? He may have been back in early October.

Hear, hear, Patler . Still the voice of reason in this haywire world.

I predict a shit season for Reed until they shut him down finally.

[CaptainKickass]

Hear, hear, Patler . Still the voice of reason in this haywire world.

I predict a shit season for Reed until they shut him down finally.

Agree on the shit season prediction.
I'd rather they IR'd him and he had the surgery, give a guy from the supposedly excellent depth we had a shot.

[MadScientist]

What do you do if you have a broken finger, especially a small one? You tape it to the one(s) next to it - and get back in the game. Why can't that be done with a toe? Tape it with padded tape, which should greatly limit the pain, and then go ahead and play on it. I'm assuming he could have played on it these past two preseason games, but it not being necessary, he didn't. I'm looking for normalcy and a big game from him against Detroit, now that he is practicing again.

Look up Jones Fracture. It isn't the toe. It is the long bone on the side of the foot going from the pinky toe to the top of the heel, and the fracture is close to the heel. Tape won't immobilize it. Once there is evidence of the bone healing, he can take the boot off and start resuming activities. However, that doesn't make it fully healed and strong enough for unrestricted football activities. On average surgery takes ~9 weeks to heal whereas rest and immobilization takes ~12 to heal. However, the doctors could have noticed that his break was smaller or not complete and thought that immobilization would lead to healing as fast as surgery. We don't know the details. It would be nice if he's able to play in a couple of weeks, but he is risking it getting worse and needing surgery anyway, taking him out most of the season.

[Joemailman]

Look up Jones Fracture. It isn't the toe. It is the long bone on the side of the foot going from the pinky toe to the top of the heel, and the fracture is close to the heel. Tape won't immobilize it. Once there is evidence of the bone healing, he can take the boot off and start resuming activities. However, that doesn't make it fully healed and strong enough for unrestricted football activities. On average surgery takes ~9 weeks to heal whereas rest and immobilization takes ~12 to heal. However, the doctors could have noticed that his break was smaller or not complete and thought that immobilization would lead to healing as fast as surgery. We don't know the details. It would be nice if he's able to play in a couple of weeks, but he is risking it getting worse and needing surgery anyway, taking him out most of the season.

[texaspackerbacker]

For what it's worth, a media puke named Bukowski says he doesn't believe Reed actually has a Jones fracture.