More Banjo - Packers at Browns

[MadScientist]

Man, on that INT, if Love reads the defense correctly, and waits a split second, Kraft is wide open. Maybe for a TD. https://x.com/i/status/1969851240252326152

It's very true that love missed the guy dropping Kraft and jumping the slant, but given how much pressure he was under all game, waiting for Kraft wasn't a safe option (although a sack would have been infinitely better than that pick).

The OLine shit the bed all day. All 5 are in the bottom 5 of PFF ratings.

Bottom 5 offense

LT Rasheed Walker: 34.1
OL Jordan Morgan: 40.7
LG Aaron Banks: 40.9
OL Anthony Belton: 41.6
C Elgton Jenkins: 44.6

[Joemailman]

Best, worst PFF grades.

Top 5 offense

TE John FItzPatrick: 76.9
RB Josh Jacobs: 73.4
WR Dontayvion Wicks: 63.6
WR Matthew Golden: 62.8
QB Jordan Love: 59.0

FitzPatrick struggled as a blocker but did catch two passes for 12 yards, including a touchdown in the red zone. Jacobs struggled as a runner but did catch five passes for 44 yards and gained 58 yards after the catch. Wicks caught two of his four passes, including one for 16 yards on third down. Golden led the team with four catches for 52 yards, including the 34-yarder in the fourth quarter. The fact Love -- who really struggled under pressure -- made the top five list with a 59.0 grade highlights how poorly the Packers played offensively.

Top 5 defense

DE Kingsley Enagbare: 90.4
DE Lukas Van Ness: 89.8
DE Micah Parsons: 82.1
LB Quay Walker: 81.0
DL Colby Wooden: 76.2

Enagbare produced two quarterback hits on just eight pass-rushing snaps. Van Ness tallied a team-high and career-high six pressures, including two quarterback hits. Parsons had two run stops and five pressures, including two quarterback hits, across 51 snaps. He also drew a holding penalty. Walker was excellent against the run, created a quarterback hit and finished with 14 total tackles (10 solo) and a team-high five stops. Wooden had two assisted run stops and earned a strong pass-rushing grade on 38 snaps.

Bottom 5 offense

LT Rasheed Walker: 34.1
OL Jordan Morgan: 40.7
LG Aaron Banks: 40.9
OL Anthony Belton: 41.6
C Elgton Jenkins: 44.6

Collectively, Walker, Morgan, Banks, Belton and Jenkins allowed 15 total pressures. All five finished with a pass-blocking grade under 40.0, and they were nearly as poor as run blockers. Morgan (three) and Walker (two) combined for five penalties. This was one of the worst offensive line performances of the Matt LaFleur era.

Bottom 5 defense

S Evan Williams: 45.6
DB Javon Bullard: 47.3
DL Devonte Wyatt: 56.8
CB Keisean Nixon: 57.4
DL Karl Brooks: 60.7

Williams gave up three catches in coverage (including the pivotal completion to David Njoku before the game-winning field goal) and committed two penalties. Bullard had three stops and was penalized once, missed a tackle and struggled against the run. Wyatt produced only two hurries and didn't have a stop over 38 snaps. Nixon gave up three catches and had a penalty. Brooks had two pressures but was on the field for 31 pass-rushing snaps.

Special teams (38.5 grade)

The Packers committed four penalties on special teams, although two were declined. Brandon McManus had his go-ahead field goal blocked. On the positive side, the Packers didn't miss a tackle covering kicks and punts, Daniel Whelan had a season-long net average of 46.0 yards and Savion Williams had a 35-yard kickoff return to set up the final drive. Also, Zayne Anderson, Isaiah McDuffie, Nick Niemann and Chris Brooks all had tackles covering kicks or punts.

Quarterback play

Jordan Love: 59.0

He was under pressure on 14 of his 31 dropbacks, or 45.2 percent. He was fine from clean pockets, completing 14 of 16 passes for 166 yards and a touchdown, with a 10.4-yard average per attempt, but he did throw the game-turning interception from a clean pocket. Love was 4-for-9 passing for 17 yards and five sacks under pressure. He attempted just one pass thrown over 10 yards, completing the one for 34 yards to Matthew Golden. His average depth of target was a highly uncharacteristic 1.7 yards. Consistent pressure killed any chance to attack down the field.

Stat to know

The Packers pass protection unit was credited with allowing 17 total pressures, and everyone was at blame. Rasheed Walker, Elgton Jenkins, Jordan Morgan, Sean Rhyan and Anthony Belton all gave up three pressures a piece. The Packers couldn't block Myles Garrett, Mason Graham and Maiek Collins, who combined for 12 pressurs and seven stops. This was a complete meltdown up front for the Packers.

[Patler]

Collectively, Walker, Morgan, Banks, Belton and Jenkins allowed 15 total pressures. All five finished with a pass-blocking grade under 40.0, and they were nearly as poor as run blockers. Morgan (three) and Walker (two) combined for five penalties. This was one of the worst offensive line performances of the Matt LaFleur era.

I think they have the penalties numbers reversed. Walker had three and Morgan had two.

Morgan may have been bad, but I don't think he was any worse than Walker, or, really, any of the others on the O-line. Clearly, they were not ready. Now the question is this: Was this game an anomaly for the O-line?

[Joemailman]

I think they have the penalties numbers reversed. Walker had three and Morgan had two.

Morgan may have been bad, but I don't think he was any worse than Walker, or, really, any of the others on the O-line. Clearly, they were not ready. Now the question is this: Was this game an anomaly for the O-line?

Well, I think any game when you lose 2 OL starters during the game is a bit of an anomaly. And facing Myles Garrett is an anomaly. I think it's unlikely you'll see them look this bad again.

I read somewhere there was one penalty that should have been called on Walker which was called on Morgan.

[bobblehead]

He's just been really bad this year. It's hard to fathom that he's earned playing time. It hasn't been just today

Then why has he been the guy the coaches continue to go to when they need someone? Why not use Belton at RT who has been playing that position since camp.

[Patler]

Well, I think any game when you lose 2 OL starters during the game is a bit of an anomaly. And facing Myles Garrett is an anomaly. I think it's unlikely you'll see them look this bad again.

I read somewhere there was one penalty that should have been called on Walker which was called on Morgan.

In this game they lost the players that they played without in Game 2 and practiced and planned to be without for most of the past week. Losing them in this game should not have been a surprise or unfamiliar. Since Tom lasted just one play and couldn't come back, I'm afraid they could be without him for a while. Banks seems to have one injury after another, so far. Sitting him a few weeks might be in the cards too, so Morgan and Belton might be in for a while.

With guys like Garrett and Parsons, others have to win their one-on-one matchups. The Oline seemed to be losing to everyone, not just MG.

The Gamebook on NFL.com has Walker with 3 and Morgan with 2 penalties. I don't know if that makes it "official" or not.

[Joemailman]

Anthony Belton being left on an island more than Rasheed Walker and has a slightly higher pass block win rate.

[texaspackerbacker]

There ought to be some kind of a graph like this for interior O Linemen, especially in the case of the Packers, this year compared to last year. Last season, we were able to run inside extremely well with Josh Jacobs and Wilson and Brooks very well too. We also had next to no pressure on our QB up the middle. This year we have a helluva lot of it.

It seemed like literally everybody in here other than me as well as of podcasters, media pukes, whatever spewed HATE for Josh Meyers and were all fired up about moving on from him. Well, it is what it is. Jenkins at Center instead of Guard is way less effective. banks - who gets paid several times what Meyers woulda gotten - sure hasn't been worth the money so far. Sean Rhyan has been crap, and Morgan? He went from bad to just plain worthless last game. But ya'all Meyers haters, you got wehat you wished for. Sheeeeesh.

[pittstang5]

One thing that will help ease the pain of this embarrassing loss is to see the Lions get their asses kicked tonight.

[Teamcheez1]

They should probably sit Tom until at least after the bye.
Our two highest paid OL are the most injured this season.

[Fosco33]

Did we ever find out why Golden went out of bounds on the 3rd and 7 reception w/ like 11min left in the 4th. Seemed like he could’ve stayed in bounds that it was a dagger touchdown.

[bobblehead]

The only think I see on that is Josh Simmons....who was the pick I wanted instead of Golden. Josh is clearly been one of the best LTs so far in his short career. I believe my exact quote paraphrased was "if we wanted an OT and WR we should have gone Simmons and Bech". Golden is clearly superior so far, but I'd rather have the franchise bookend LT.

And incidentally I didn't want a WR at all (at least not in the first 2 picks). I wanted Mike Green who the Ravens picked. If we had done that though the Parsons trade would still have happened and created a really packed EDGE room.

[Joemailman]

Did we ever find out why Golden went out of bounds on the 3rd and 7 reception w/ like 11min left in the 4th. Seemed like he could’ve stayed in bounds that it was a dagger touchdown.

Some have suggested he didn't realize how much room he had at first, and then his momentum carried him out of bounds. He was outside the hash marks and in college the outside hash marks are closer to the sideline than in the NFL. Live and learn.

[bobblehead]

Did we ever find out why Golden went out of bounds on the 3rd and 7 reception w/ like 11min left in the 4th. Seemed like he could’ve stayed in bounds that it was a dagger touchdown.

Cuz he is undersized and doesn't like getting hit. I kid....sort of. I think he lost his balance and by the time he regained it he had the choice of contact for maybe 7-10 extra yards or wussing out. He wasn't going to regain enough speed to take it home. I would prefer he tries though, break it back across the tacklers face and hope he misses. That way Golden would have had a chance to house it.

[Fritz]

They should probably sit Tom until at least after the bye.
Our two highest paid OL are the most injured this season.

I was fortunate to not be able to see the game. It sounds like such a typical Packer loss - playing to the level of your opponent (at least the offense did) and special teams breakdowns over and over.

From what I have read, the offensive line was primarily at fault for the offense's poor performance, though the $220 million dollar man threw a terrible pick at the worst time. I frankly expected better from the offensive line, even if two starters went out. They've known these injuries were there and the two starters who were injured might not get through the game. Yet The Flower threw Morgan out at RT, where he hadn't played before. I'm also extremely disappointed in Elgton Jenkins - he doesn't seem to be an upgrade over Josh Myers, at least not in the run game. And Love's pick was, it sounds, boneheaded. Yes, he rushed it because he'd been getting hammered all game. But he let that fear get the best of him on that play.

Most of all, how long before The Flower finally wakes up and fires Bitchsaccia? Probably not til it's too late - as in, after the ST costs this team in the playoffs. The Flower hangs on to his hires too long - Joe Barely, and now this guy. Bisaccia seems to have quite a say in the roster construction - lots of ST-only guys on the squad - yet the special teams continue to make mistake after mistake. Long kick returns by opponents. Long punt returns by opponents. No punt returns by the Packers for more than a couple yards. And now, blocked kicks.

Yes, I am glad I did not watch that shitshow.