More Banjo - Packers vs. Panthers

[QBME]

Also he has the gift of speed to split the slot or break one down the sideline.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Also he has the gift of speed to split the slot or break one down the sideline.

Musgrave can’t break a tackle to save a fackle’s life, though.

Goddamn, Kraft’s presence is gonna be missed. His tackle-breaking mastery makes me hard. Reminds me of my boi, J-Mike.

I used to hang with J-Mike. Used to bang with J-Mike. Even slang with J-Mike. Goddamn, I miss J-Mike.

[Fritz]

That game might have caused more damage than just the loss - losing Kraft was huge, huge.

So now we'll see what The Flower can do. Let's see what he's got.

First thing, though: straighten out your offensive line, Matt.

[Joemailman]

Best, worst PFF grades

Top 5 offense

LG Aaron Banks: 86.1
RB Josh Jacobs: 81.2
LT Rasheed Walker: 75.9
TE Tucker Kraft: 74.9
RT Zach Tom: 71.9

Banks didn't allow a pressure and was effective in the run game before leaving with a stinger after only nine snaps played. Jacobs gained 60 yards after first contact, created four missed tackles, had two runs over 10 yards and caught four of five targets. Walker allowed only two hurries across 40 pass-blocking snaps and graded out as the offensive line's second-best run blocker. Kraft caught two of his three targets, including a third down conversion, and he was effective as a blocker before leaving with an injury. Tom allowed only one pressure at right tackle.

Top 5 defense

S Xavier McKinney: 82.4
LB Isaiah McDuffie: 81.7
LB Edgerrin Cooper: 68.5
DE Micah Parsons: 66.6
CB Keisean Nixon: 66.5

McKinney produced a strip-sack and an end-zone interception, and he was in on eight tackles without a miss. McDuffie drew a holding penalty and didn't allow a completion in coverage. Cooper produced four total stops, including three against the run, and allowed only two completions for 12 yards into his coverage. Parsons had just one total pressure, but he was effective against the run, producing a tackle for loss and two total stops. Nixon committed a penalty in the end zone before a touchdown, but he also allowed only one completion for one yard into his coverage and had two total stops.

Bottom 5 offense

WR Savion Williams: 47.3
LG Sean Rhyan: 51.3
RB Emanuel Wilson: 51.4
WR Matthew Golden: 53.8
TE John FitzPatrick: 55.2

Williams lost a fumble in the red zone. Rhyan struggled in the run game, had a holding penalty and allowed a QB hit. Wilson rushed six times for only 16 yards, had a drop in the passing game and allowed a pressure in pass pro. Golden caught two passes for only nine yards and failed his lone contested catch (on a deep ball in traffic) while running 15 routes. FitzPatrick was average as a blocker and committed a declined holding penalty.

Bottom 5 defense

LB Quay Walker: 38.3
CB Nate Hobbs: 39.9
DL Karl Brooks: 46.4
DL Colby Wooden: 54.7
CB Carrington Valentine: 57.2

Walker had a QB hit and two stops, but he received poor grades against the run and in coverage. Hobbs played 29 snaps, but he was credited with giving up a 22-yard completion and struggled against the run. Brooks had 19 pass-rushing snaps without a pressure and was below average as a run defender inside. Wooden played only 15 snaps before leaving with an injury, but he didn't have a tackle or a pressure. Valentine allowed four catches for 47 yards, including three first-down catches by Tetairoa McMillan.

Special teams

Ty'Ron Hopper, Evan Williams and Arron Mosby all made tackles covering kickoffs, while Javon Bullard was penalized on kickoff coverage. Brandon McManus missed a 43-yard field goal. Punter Daniel Whelan did not punt for the first time this season. Neither Savion Williams on kickoffs nor Romeo Doubs on punts was particularly effective on returns.

Quarterback play

Jordan Love: 61.5

A fairly typical day at the office for Jordan Love, who mixed in deep shots with the quick game, was excellent from clean pockets and struggled under pressure. Love completed 22 of 27 passes for 228 yards and two "big time throws" from clean pockets. He hit 3-of-5 passes thrown over 20 yards in the air but did throw a head-scratching interception. Under pressure, Love completed 4-of-10 passes for 45 yards and the interception. Love's passing grade from clean pockets? 85.9. His passing grade under pressure? 25.0. He also had a second interception dropped in the end zone on fourth down.

Stat to know

The Packers pressured Bryce Young on only eight of his 24 dropbacks, and Young actually completed 4-of-6 passes for 42 yards and scrambled for a first down while under pressure. When kept clean, Young got the ball out of his hands in 2.19 seconds from snap to throw on average.

[CaptainKickass]

I do like that Musgrave didn’t fall down on that big play he had. That’s improvement.. right?

"Musgrave didn't fall down!!" -Coach LaFleur



Everyone keeps saying Musgrave compares to Jermichael Finley, which sounds great and I would welcome if it resembled Finley in his prime. But Finley had Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball and Mike McCarthy calling the plays.

This begs the question: Is Matt LaFleur capable of designing and calling plays for someone with Finley-like talent, and is Jordan Love capable of delivering?

[pbmax]

Offensive line really struggles to block the run game consistently, usually when you start the game popping off a few runs something is working and consistently is easy to build. The offensive line is a key fundamental flaw of this offense which overall was atrocious today. They don't set the pocket with any consistency either in the pass game, bumping them all around really doesn't help matters, but the two run throughs were on Morgan, both pressures were from space so there wasn't a line call pre-snap.

I haven't had a chance to go looking for a breakdown of the free rusher problem and the subsequent Jacobs non-blocks of blitzers.

However, yesterday Tauscher and Bulaga were talking about it on Wilde's radio show. They each flat refused to find fault saying they would need the play call and the blocking declaration to reach a judgement. Both were pointedly talking about Jenkin's relocation to Center as being part of the adjustment (Bulaga was certain this would take more than six games to reach respectable especially after missing the OTA and minicamp in the offseason) but both thought last year's line was playing better at this stage.

Morgan's name only came up in a hypothetical questions that the Center needs to answer while over the ball and making a declaration. Both said there could have been multiple calls, Love could declare, there could have been an O line only check late and only the center or QB pointing are visible to the TV.

If you assume ex-O lineman aren't going to bag a fellow blocker publicly, then you might think not mentioning Jacobs is telling (then Morgan, then Jenkins in order of least to most discussed). However, if they were talking about it by talking around it, then they seemed to lay this at Jenkin's feet.

Which begs the question, why was Jacobs on the wrong side of Love if that was his block? Because you'd think moving him would be part of the adjustment. Love has done this before.

One other interesting tidbit, Tauscher intimated he KNEW Jenkins wanted to move to Center two years ago. And that the reluctance this time around was contract related. Bulaga played along, but it seemed clear the source they believed in was Jenkins.

Bulaga's appearance was in the 9 AM hour of the show Wednesday.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/9am-whats-wrong-with-the-packers-offensive-line/id1550408245?i=1000735434383

[Joemailman]

"Musgrave didn't fall down!!" -Coach LaFleur



Everyone keeps saying Musgrave compares to Jermichael Finley, which sounds great and I would welcome if it resembled Finley in his prime. But Finley had Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball and Mike McCarthy calling the plays.

This begs the question: Is Matt LaFleur capable of designing and calling plays for someone with Finley-like talent, and is Jordan Love capable of delivering?

Actually, it was "Musgrave stayed on his feet!" Accentuate the positive.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yl37B_FqPp0

[ThunderDan]

I haven't had a chance to go looking for a breakdown of the free rusher problem and the subsequent Jacobs non-blocks of blitzers.

However, yesterday Tauscher and Bulaga were talking about it on Wilde's radio show. They each flat refused to find fault saying they would need the play call and the blocking declaration to reach a judgement. Both were pointedly talking about Jenkin's relocation to Center as being part of the adjustment (Bulaga was certain this would take more than six games to reach respectable especially after missing the OTA and minicamp in the offseason) but both thought last year's line was playing better at this stage.

Morgan's name only came up in a hypothetical questions that the Center needs to answer while over the ball and making a declaration. Both said there could have been multiple calls, Love could declare, there could have been an O line only check late and only the center or QB pointing are visible to the TV.

If you assume ex-O lineman aren't going to bag a fellow blocker publicly, then you might think not mentioning Jacobs is telling (then Morgan, then Jenkins in order of least to most discussed). However, if they were talking about it by talking around it, then they seemed to lay this at Jenkin's feet.

Which begs the question, why was Jacobs on the wrong side of Love if that was his block? Because you'd think moving him would be part of the adjustment. Love has done this before.

One other interesting tidbit, Tauscher intimated he KNEW Jenkins wanted to move to Center two years ago. And that the reluctance this time around was contract related. Bulaga played along, but it seemed clear the source they believed in was Jenkins.

Bulaga's appearance was in the 9 AM hour of the show Wednesday.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000735434383

One of the plays that Olson bagged on Jacobs was a middle screen to Jacobs. Morgan or Jenkins didn’t touch the rusher before going out to block and Jacobs sure as hell isn’t picking the man up on that play. If Love had had a fraction of a second the play would have gone for at least 10 yards if not a lot more.

[bobblehead]

Also he has the gift of speed to split the slot or break one down the sideline.

Assume you mean Musgrave. He has the speed to force the other team to use a slot on him instead of a LB and then has a size advantage to exploit said slot. He can probably replace a decent chunk of the pass game impact Kraft had, but obviously the coaches didn't feel he was in the same ballpark as a blocker (was always obvious, but this season we haven't seen him enough to know if he is improving).