Studs and Duds, Packers poach Bears, #1, 2025.

[texaspackerbacker]

Obviously it's true that Parsons gets held virtually every time, but be careful what you wish for regarding stricter calling of holding. Why? Two reasons: Parsons has been extremely effective anyway - leading the NFL in sacks and influencing on a helluva lot of other plays. The other reason is the Packer offense. One of the worst setbacks that can happen, of course, is a holding penalty. And for sure, if the bastards (officials) called them closer against opponents, they'd call them closer on the Packers too. We see that way too often in basketball where the damn officials do their damnedest to keep the number of calls fairly equal even though Badger opponents virtually always commit extremely more fouls.

Not that complaining would do anything anyway, as Jerry Jones found out, but we probably are better off with the Packer offense running smooth and Parsons still tearing up the league despite the handicap placed on him.

[MadScientist]

That accounts for a few of the holds. Certainly not what was happening on a lot of the plays.

It accounts for most of the obvious ones where he's held around the neck. Parsons rushes, the OT puts a hand on his shoulder, and Parsons tries to bat it up and away. That pushes the hand is higher and the arm winds up around his neck. By that rule, it's not holding, even though it sure looks like it.

[Fritz]

It accounts for most of the obvious ones where he's held around the neck. Parsons rushes, the OT puts a hand on his shoulder, and Parsons tries to bat it up and away. That pushes the hand is higher and the arm winds up around his neck. By that rule, it's not holding, even though it sure looks like it.

It's like "I don't know, we were both naked, and it just kinda slipped in. Honest, it was an accident!"

[bobblehead]

The answer is actually in the rules. If a defensive player uses a rip move that moves the offensive players hands from a non-hold position to a holding position, it is not a hold. Parsons knocks the OT's hands up in an attempt to disengage, and that gives the OT a pass to hold. Parsons needs a different or a second move to disengage. It's also why he is often more successful looping around.

I doubt it to be honest and here is why. The Cowboys and the Packers have both sent film to the NFL complaining. To my knowledge (and I think it would be public) the NFL has NOT responded by saying "he done it to himself". I'm not sure they responded at all. They certainly haven't given such a clear simple explanation or parsons and the team would have a) probably acknowledged it b) adjusted something.

[pbmax]

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Obviously it's true that Parsons gets held virtually every time, but be careful what you wish for regarding stricter calling of holding. Why? Two reasons: Parsons has been extremely effective anyway - leading the NFL in sacks and influencing on a helluva lot of other plays. The other reason is the Packer offense. One of the worst setbacks that can happen, of course, is a holding penalty. And for sure, if the bastards (officials) called them closer against opponents, they'd call them closer on the Packers too. We see that way too often in basketball where the damn officials do their damnedest to keep the number of calls fairly equal even though Badger opponents virtually always commit extremely more fouls.

Not that complaining would do anything anyway, as Jerry Jones found out, but we probably are better off with the Packer offense running smooth and Parsons still tearing up the league despite the handicap placed on him.

The poet Myles Garrett is actually the current sack leader. He’s like 3 away from the sack record.

Since sacks are such a cool fuckery, Garrett most likely has the DPOY honor locked up, despite the Dog Farts D overall reeking of mediocrity. An argument could be made in favor of “Peerless” Parsons being DPOY.

[sharpe1027]

It accounts for most of the obvious ones where he's held around the neck. Parsons rushes, the OT puts a hand on his shoulder, and Parsons tries to bat it up and away. That pushes the hand is higher and the arm winds up around his neck. By that rule, it's not holding, even though it sure looks like it.

I'm not convinced, unless beating the tackle to the outside with speed is a rip move. It does explain some of the no calls, but he doesn't do that every play.

[Fritz]

I'm not convinced, unless beating the tackle to the outside with speed is a rip move. It does explain some of the no calls, but he doesn't do that every play.

Perhaps if he'd just sign up for the Patrick Mahomes School of Acting he'd do better with the calls.

[Patler]

All Parsons has to do is throw his feet sideways and flop to the ground as if tackled by the neck. Automatic holding call.

[sharpe1027]

What I've seen on several non calls is a tackle hooking their arm out around Parsons. There's no initial contact in the chest that Parsons then does anything to causes the illegal contact. The blockers just throw their whole arm around him because he's already getting past them.

[bobblehead]

All Parsons has to do is throw his feet sideways and flop to the ground as if tackled by the neck. Automatic holding call.

Thats why a spin and duck would be effective. You duck under the clothesline while spinning. The only way to maintain the hold is to grab.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, but save it for a really critical time, though. Refs I would think would be pretty good at detecting flops if you do it very often.

[Fritz]

Perhaps Parsons simply needs to be inspired.

[Jaire]

Parsons has zero hold calls all season. The week after he complained, he was called for one of two hip drop penalties called league wide to that point in the season.

I'm not one saying he gets held every play, but there are plays where two linemen are holding him, each with a hand on his face mask. It's absurd at times.

The point is Micah gets special treatment by the officials. That's not even questionable .... Overall, the game is badly officiated when you have phantom holds while overlooking blatant holds. Officiating has been ruining the game for several years now, and it's not really about "it's really hard to officiate." The inconsistancy from game to game, crew to crew, team to team, has a big effect on the outcome of some games. It's cost GB a few critical ones imo.

[Fritz]

Parsons has zero hold calls all season. The week after he complained, he was called for one of two hip drop penalties called league wide to that point in the season.

I'm not one saying he gets held every play, but there are plays where two linemen are holding him, each with a hand on his face mask. It's absurd at times.

The point is Micah gets special treatment by the officials. That's not even questionable .... Overall, the game is badly officiated when you have phantom holds while overlooking blatant holds. Officiating has been ruining the game for several years now, and it's not really about "it's really hard to officiate." The inconsistancy from game to game, crew to crew, team to team, has a big effect on the outcome of some games. It's cost GB a few critical ones imo.

It's funny too how, just a few years ago, ball placement was sucking the life out of the game - teams were challenging the spot of the ball, and the sticks crew was running out onto the field, it seemed, on every third down spot because there was so much debate about how close the guy with the ball had gotten to the first down marker. So they fixed it by just having the refs make an obvious choice - yes, the player got the first down, by at least six or eight inches, or no, he was short by six or eight inches. No more calling out the sticks crew to measure.

Different topic, though still kinda about Parsons: as good as he is, this team is gonna fall short unless they can figure out how to stop the run. That's the achilles heel, maybe moreso than anything about the offense. If you're an opponent, you just keep ramming the ball down the Packers' throats until they finally crack. Teams will do that more and more, and in the playoffs that will be deadly. My biggest fear is a game like the Superbowl loss to the Broncos. By the end of the game, the Packers' defense was just absolutely gassed - the Broncos were slicing them up at will, and there was no stopping them.

So Halfley and Company need to figure our how they're going to stop the run. Bohanna? Riley Jacobs? Two bigs out there together on run downs? More 5-2?