Interesting Packer trades:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You forgot the other question. The one about the busts.

The busts are easy to forget when you are winning. Look at some of Ron Wolfs busts: Jermine Smith, Rosevelt Blackman, Gerry Barry, Derrick Mays, Terrell Buckley, John Michaels, Terrence Marshell, Jamel Reynolds, Robert Ferguson, among others (all were drafted in the top 4 rds).

Winning hides your mistakes. Mike Sherman was a winner.

[MJZiggy]

Not last year he wasn't!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Not last year he wasn't!

Last years team wasnt Sherman's. It was Thompson. Hell, even thompson decided the depth chart, as was evident when he told Sherman to play the football wife (rodgers) behind Favre instead of Nall, who was more experienced and a better player.

Sherman presided over the 02,03, and 04 teams. All winners.

[billy_oliver880]

Not last year he wasn't!

Last years team wasnt Sherman's. It was Thompson. Hell, even thompson decided the depth chart, as was evident when he told Sherman to play the football wife (rodgers) behind Favre instead of Nall, who was more experienced and a better player.

Sherman presided over the 02,03, and 04 teams. All winners.

Rodgers got all kinds of playing time last year too.

[retailguy]

Not last year he wasn't!

You were winning this debate till you posted this.

Sherman did win, for a long time. One losing season didn't make him a bad coach.

His questionable personnel decisions are becoming clearer. Even I, a Sherman supporter have to admit that.

I do think he had a different draft strategy than Wolf, with good reason. I still maintain that sherman was KNOWINGLY not building for the long haul. Whether that's good or bad, I think its true.

Ziggy, Sherm's not a bad guy, and not a bad coach. He was not a great GM and did not understand the value of a draft pick.

TT gets the value of a draft pick, he also gets the personnel game. He is HORRIBLE at PR and that's a necessary function of the job. His lack of knowledge about PR will get him canned, UNLESS he wins. Tank is right about that. We'll overlook the lack of information if the Pack wins. We'll scream bloody murder if they don't win. sherms drafting and player loyalty got him canned. TT's awful public personna will get him canned eventually.

Wolf was a HORRIBLE drafter in the first round. We all overlook it because of Brett Favre, and the 1996 Super Bowl. It is easy to overlook it. Shermans detractors refuse to overlook ANYTHING during his tenure because he didn't win it all.

[retailguy]

Dan Morgan was selected Number 11 in that draft, the pick after us.

Maybe I misunderstood HH's info, but if he was looking for the guy Wolf claims he had higher than Jamal Reynolds than that was Dan Morgan.

that trade turned out to be Reynolds and Torrence Marshall for Hasslebeck and Steve Hutchinson. One of the worst ever.

I'm so tired of this rumor I could just scream! This originated on football outsiders.com. It was NEVER reported by any reputable news source and has been denied multiple times in the Journal-Sentinel. Wolf has been quoted multiple times saying HE blew the Reynolds pick. How many times must he take responsibility for the pick for everyone to believe him?

Did Sherman prefer Reynolds? Of course, they had CONSENSUS in the draft room. That included Wolf.

NOBODY knew Morgan would be a stud. NOBODY knew Reynolds would be a bust. Plenty had 'thoughts' but most of those are in hindsight.

[retailguy]

I distinctly remember Wolf saying to the Journal-Sentinel that HE traded up to get Reynolds. That was the whole reason for the trade. He DID NOT trade up to get Dan Morgan.

[MJZiggy]

Sherman did win, for a long time. One losing season didn't make him a bad coach.

His questionable personnel decisions are becoming clearer. Even I, a Sherman supporter have to admit that.

I do think he had a different draft strategy than Wolf, with good reason. I still maintain that sherman was KNOWINGLY not building for the long haul. Whether that's good or bad, I think its true.

Ziggy, Sherm's not a bad guy, and not a bad coach. He was not a great GM and did not understand the value of a draft pick.

TT gets the value of a draft pick, he also gets the personnel game. He is HORRIBLE at PR and that's a necessary function of the job. His lack of knowledge about PR will get him canned, UNLESS he wins. Tank is right about that. We'll overlook the lack of information if the Pack wins. We'll scream bloody murder if they don't win. sherms drafting and player loyalty got him canned. TT's awful public personna will get him canned eventually.

Wolf was a HORRIBLE drafter in the first round. We all overlook it because of Brett Favre, and the 1996 Super Bowl. It is easy to overlook it. Shermans detractors refuse to overlook ANYTHING during his tenure because he didn't win it all.

Sorry Retailguy, had to take the shot. He left himself so wide open.

I am not a Sherman detractor, in fact. I was against his firing, but once he was gone, I did begin to perceive a downslide that I hadn't seen before. You can play the "what if" game all you want, but the fact is that Mike Sherman is no longer with the team. I do have a lot of confidence in M3 and have a feeling that he deals well with the media which might have been a consideration in his hiring as well. All TT really needs is a face to make statements for the team and I think after M3 has a season under his belt, he'll be much more visible. I think they both may be hiding a bit because of not wanting to answer nothing but Brett and Javon questions all day. I know if I were either one of them, I'd be locking my office door every day and wearing a disguise to get home until I had some answers to give the media.

[retailguy]

I know if I were either one of them, I'd be locking my office door every day and wearing a disguise to get home until I had some answers to give the media.

If, today, on April 16th they don't know whether or not Favre is coming back, then they are both FOOLS.

Ziggy, they have to know. I haven't figured out what all the suspense is supposed to do, but they HAVE to know. GB is on national TV 5 times. Name another 4-12 team to have 5 national TV appearances? I realize the Packers are a big draw, but they were 4-12!

I knew Favre was coming back when I saw the final home game televised by the NFL network. C'mon, the NFL network. You think that's a coincidence? The multi-million dollars these games are worth and they're going to schedule the FINAL HOME GAME of a 4-12 team? Not a chance - that's Favre's swan song. There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

NFL Network needs a DRAW for the remaining cable franchises to pick it up. FAVRE is the draw. Who wants to miss his final game live? Hell, my father-in-law is a diehard 49ers fan and thinks Favre is the DEVIL himself, and he won't miss that game. Not a chance. The NFL & the Packers KNOW what Favre is doing.

I agree with Tank. He did leave himself wide open on that one. Sherm's still a good guy though.

[MJZiggy]

You don't think it's possible they sceduled it that way as a just-in-case because they don't know what he's going to do either and don't want to get screwed if he comes back?

[retailguy]

You don't think it's possible they sceduled it that way as a just-in-case because they don't know what he's going to do either and don't want to get screwed if he comes back?

Too much money involved if he doesn't come back. Bigger risk is on the downside of him not coming back.

These are shared dollars. All 32 teams benefit from the Favre draw. They're trying to showcase NFL network. Not give it crummy games. It's all about advertising revenue. Who's going to watch the NFL network to see the packers final regular season game after Aaron Rogers started the whole year? No One. Pack will be lucky to be 6-9 at that point.

I guess, if you're correct, we need to get a fundraiser going right now, because we'll be able to afford a 30 second spot for packerrats.com. Of course, we'll be the only ones watching it. I have NFL network, and the locals get the broadcast on local TV....