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Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
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Yep, so was deion -
And Derrick ThomasComment
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I actually think our DLine could use an infusion of talent. The DT's are OK, "try-hard" players who make the most of what talent they have. That's fine, but a monster DT or another DE to spell KGB would be good. Plus, the prospects of having to start a backup if KGB or Kampman goes down aren't thrilling.
With the ZBS, no way do you take a OL top 10. I like that TT picked guys in the middle rounds last year; I think he needs to go back and do that again with at least one more OL between rounds 2-5. Definitely a RB in the early to middle rounds. We need a WR, but they take a while to pick up WCO. Another CB, since Woodson and Harris are old, and Carroll isn't a quality long-term starter. Again, better pass rush (hello D line) helps your corners. It sounds like the draft may be deep at safety, so drafting another S in the later rounds might be good if Underwood doesn't recover and Peprah doesn't show up. We may need to upgrade the kicking game (P, K), our TE's are nothing special, we have no FB behind Hendo and who knows what would happen if a good QB was available when GB was on the clock. (Although I'd NEVER draft a FB.)
Hmm...lots of needs. Actually, GB could use an upgrade at MOST positions. Tough to rank them by importance...it's still early in the year; I'd wait for both the pro & college seasons to play out before speculating much on particular players.
I'm almost always in favor of trading down a few spots to get an extra pick, as long as it's just a few spots...I don't like trading out of a round completely. Few good players make it to free agency anymore, so the draft is the way to go.
Didn't football outsiders post some kind of study about player position, what rounds they were drafted in, and how successful they were? IIRC: QB, LT, RB, WR, and DE were all high round picks and S, TE, FB were almost alwys low-round to street free agent level pickups.Comment
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If Ginn decided to come out in 2007 he would have to be counted on to make an impact as a returner first, because he is still building his skill set as a receiver, he is not the polished product that Reggie Bush was coming out his junior year. Ginn has gotten better at route running, and he made a catch against Cinncinatti for a touchdown where he ran a crossing pattern at about the 5 yard line where there was a Bearcat that had the angle on him but Ginn just turned on the speed and flat out beat him to the corner. Ginn looked like he was only running at 75%. The thing about this is he knows how to take the quickest route or angle on the football field, his speed is amazing, but in the NFL everyone can run, he simply understands the game of football and is also most natural on the field. He gets all the things that simply track stars or speedsters fail to realize or understand about playing the game of football.Originally posted by PartialComment
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You are the Packers organization sitting with the #4-#5 pick in the draft. Ted Ginn is available, and you know quite well you're not going to be a competitive team for a year or two, but you may have the chance to hit the jackpot with this kid. Do you pick him based on potential and use him all over the field until he becomes a better receiver? Does he have the elusiveness to be a big time player instead of just a sprinter?Originally posted by Deputy NutzComment
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i don't know if that question is for 'anybody' or DN but i definitely wouldn't select him that high if he came out. hell, id much rather have troy smith. i see ginn as being one of those guys that never ends up making a serious impact in the nfl (like most osu wideouts actually). he just seems kind of capped and im not even sure he's the best receiver on his team. gonzalez makes spectacular catch after spectacular catch anywhere on the field and probably would be available in the early second round. scouts and nfl personnel make so many judgements based on speed but there's a lot of gamer that a player needs to have which isn't often measurable.Originally posted by Partial
holmes was significantly better than ginn last year and i think by the end of the year, you'll be hearing a lot more about gonzalez... he's "white" (whatever that means) and could see that hurting him from a PR perspective when draft time comes around. ill probably get flamed for that comment but hrm... flash always gets more pub.
give me jarrett and watch him light it up, baby!Comment
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Ted Ginn is a damn good college football player right now, but as of now I wouldn't take him in the top 5. He has 9 more college games left before the end of the season and then he has to make the decision to come out a year early. in those 9 games he has to show that he can consistently get open, run the right route, and run crisp routes. At this point he hasn't proven all those things yet. The other nice thing about Ginn is that he is a winner. He has won at every level he has been at, unlike Calvin Johnson who went to a consistent loser in Georgia Tech instead of proven himself at a school with a better football tradition like Georgia, FSU, LSU, or Auburn.Originally posted by Partial
That said, the Packers still need to look at building a significant pass rush. Their interior is solid as it is ever going to be, but right now they do not have a game changer, a Reggie White, or Bruce Smith at defensive end that can get to the passer when it matters. I like what I see out of Kampman so far every team in the league wishes they had an end like Kampy, but the fact still remains he like everyone else on the line can't get there when it matters.Comment
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Who is college football is this years Super Mario?Originally posted by Deputy NutzComment
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Maybe Quinten Moses, Georgia... he's a bit undersized (has a big frame though 6'5") but very smart / productive.
Moses redshirted in 2002. As a redshirt freshman in 2003, he was a third-string defensive end and played in all 14 games. He was named to the SEC All-Freshman first team by the SEC coaches and The Sporting News. In 2004, as a backup, Moses had 23 total tackles including 6.5 sacks and 7.5 tackles for loss as well as being a member of the 2004 SEC Academic Honor Roll. In 2005, he took over the starting position. He recorded 11.5 sacks and was named a member of the first team All-SEC by the Associated Press and the SEC Coaches, named All-America third team by Rivals.com, and was a member of the SEC Academic Honor Roll. Heading into 2006, Moses was named to the Bednarik Award Watch List, a pre-season All-America first team, All-SEC first team, and SEC Defensive Player of the Year by The Sporting News.Comment
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I like Moses, he was a former basketball player in high school, and a very good one at that. He is an athlete, and boy the challenge of making it on the All-SEC academic team must have really been a hard earned accomplishment. I thought they still taught "Hooked on Phonics" in all SEC schools.
Anyways another player from a school of Brilliant minds, Gaines Adams from Clemson is a 6-5 260 pound defensive end. He ended last year on fire, and was projected as a first round draft pick coming out his junior year. I simply do not like Clemson football players so I wouldn't take him in the top ten, but hey, thats just me.Comment
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P.J Hill is going to run all over Woodley and Michigan's overrated defense.Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyComment
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I'm going to throw some names out their(Seniors):
Alley Broussard
Position: RB Number: 22
School: LSU Height: 6'0
Status: Senior Weight: 233
This is a player at the running back position that is a tough punishing runner that delivers a blow to defenders
I like his battering rams style he brings to a game, and this runner has deceptive speed for a player of his size, and also posses a good burst to the hole and out of cuts for a man of his stature as well
With a fullback in front of him blocking for him he could become a load for a defense to contain, and has what it takes to become a featured runner to lead a offense down the field, could be a main cog in a strong running attack for any team
He accumulates a countless amount of yards after initial contact from defenders, I am not sure of his pass catching skills, he does not receive many opportunities in that part of his game
He needs to become the featured running back on this team, at this point in his career he is being held back along with his skills
The one running back he reminds me most of is current NFL player "Stephen Davis", he is similar in both running style and stature, if that is the case he has a nice future ahead of him.
Dallas Baker
Position: WR
Number: 81
School: Florida
Height: 6'3
Status: Senior
Weight: 205
This is a wide receiver that looks to have superior talent and size for a receiver, with his size that gives him such an advantage over smaller defenders, whether it is for a jump ball or etc
He also posses acrobatic type of body control while in the air, he also has a knack of always having his body positioned to where he has the best chance of making the catch over his defender
He always seems to a impact on the game in one way or the other, this is the year I look for him to have his breakout year, I do want to see more evaluation of this playerComment
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LaMarr Woodley
Position: DE
Number: 56
School: Michigan
Height: 6'2
Status: Senior
Weight: 268
He is a player at the defensive end position with a good combo of strength and quickness
He is strong as a pass rusher and against the run, but he has such agility and quickness turning the corner bringing pressure off the edge, and with his package of aggression and all out hustle makes for a handful to block one on one
He is stout and strong at the point of attack, and he is effective at shedding blockers at the line of scrimmage with his initial contact hand techniques, he has excellent closing speed in pursuit of the ball, and he is willing to run anywhere on the field to make plays
He has a motor that rarely stops, who if nothing else will defeat his opponent across from him on sheer determination alone, he is also effective at defending runners attempting to go wide on the corners, often funneling those runs back inside toward more defenders
He is definitely an impact type of player on the field, who has the ability to disrupt an offenses attack in multiple ways, by creating pressure on the quarterback off the edge or by shooting gaps and disrupting running lanes of opposing offenses
Though at times he looks susceptible to cut blocks, so he needs to defend against this type of block and keep his feet better, also I am not sure if he will need to gain more weight for the next level at his current position, and will that added weight slow his quickness?Comment
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QB and Defense are the 2 things that I can think of as common denominators in SB winning teams. With that being said, we're desperate for a RB so that would be just as good as a defensive player for this team.
Wish list:
Stud Pass rushing DE *Second most important position, can't pass one if you have one there*
Stud RB *Biggest need*
Stud DT *None available but Probowl DT's are priceless*
Whatever else after that.......
I know that you have to take what falls to you and you can't really take a RB when there is a better WR available but if it's possible to get a little lucky like we did last year and fill a position of need and importance then I would be a little more excited I guess.
My hope moving forward is to have a dominate defense. I know we need a RB more than any other position but I would rather have a dominate defense and a crappy offense than a good defense and a good offense. Look at the Bears last year. I'm hoping that a dominate defender falls to us. Even if it's Posluszny...Hell, I wouldn't complain if we had 2 of the best LB's in the league. All I know is if we draft a defender and he's close to as solid as Hawk coming out, I'll be really excited. If we draft and offensive guy, I'll be OK with it becaue I Know you can't control who falls to you but in a perfect world, I'm hoping it's defense. If we're lucky, Moses will show to be a dominate pass rusher and fall to us. YOu never knwo though.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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There are 2 rules to the draft. One, NEVER draft an FSU lineman. Can you say Andre Wadsworth, Reinhard Wilson, Jamal Reynolds, Larry Smith, Tony Bryant, Alphonso Carreker.Originally posted by justanotherpackfanI'm going to throw some names out their(Seniors):
Alley Broussard
Position: RB Number: 22
School: LSU Height: 6'0
Status: Senior Weight: 233
This is a player at the running back position that is a tough punishing runner that delivers a blow to defenders
I like his battering rams style he brings to a game, and this runner has deceptive speed for a player of his size, and also posses a good burst to the hole and out of cuts for a man of his stature as well
With a fullback in front of him blocking for him he could become a load for a defense to contain, and has what it takes to become a featured runner to lead a offense down the field, could be a main cog in a strong running attack for any team
He accumulates a countless amount of yards after initial contact from defenders, I am not sure of his pass catching skills, he does not receive many opportunities in that part of his game
He needs to become the featured running back on this team, at this point in his career he is being held back along with his skills
The one running back he reminds me most of is current NFL player "Stephen Davis", he is similar in both running style and stature, if that is the case he has a nice future ahead of him.
Dallas Baker
Position: WR
Number: 81
School: Florida
Height: 6'3
Status: Senior
Weight: 205
This is a wide receiver that looks to have superior talent and size for a receiver, with his size that gives him such an advantage over smaller defenders, whether it is for a jump ball or etc
He also posses acrobatic type of body control while in the air, he also has a knack of always having his body positioned to where he has the best chance of making the catch over his defender
He always seems to a impact on the game in one way or the other, this is the year I look for him to have his breakout year, I do want to see more evaluation of this player
The second, NEVER draft a Florida WR. Welcome to NFL mediocrity: Jacquez Green, Ike Hilliard, Taylor Jacobs, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Travis McGriff, Jack Johnson, Riedel Anthony, Travis Taylor.
If the Packers draft a Florida WR I will be forced to go on a multi state crime spree to feed my crack addiction.Comment
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