Hawk vs Simms

[The Leaper]

No contest. Hawk is a better player than Sims, and proved it today. Sims plays on a better defense behind a massive DL...and Hawk is still more of a playmaker, especially against the pass.

I'm sorry Wist, but you must not be seeing the same players as I am if you think these guys are even. The few times I saw Sims today, he was usually shaking his head trying to get the cobwebs out after someone on offense ran over him.

[Iron Mike]

I was more impressed with his openfield tackling and keeping containment.

Have you forgotten how many times last year we blitzed a LB or DB and they just couldn't get there in time?

[b bulldog]

hAWK LOOKS MUCH MORE EXPLOSIVE THAN sIMS DID IMO.

[the_idle_threat]

Sims is very talented, but concussions breed more concussions. He rattled his marble 8 times in college. I don't wish it upon him or anything, but I don't see a long career for him. Another Millen 1st rounder.

[Lurker64]

The few times I saw Sims today, he was usually shaking his head trying to get the cobwebs out after someone on offense ran over him.

That was actually a combination of the offense and Sims's injury history. The man's got a lot of cobwebs up there, give him a break.

[Bretsky]

Tomorrows game will be a showcase for both to show how they are doing. Sorry if I put two mm's instead of the one for Sims. Mrayrand, you must be one of those who kept saying that Hawk is the most NFL ready D player in the draft.

Who was it that said Hawk was the most NFL ready Defensive player in the draft ? Those guys must have been pretty smart

Hawk was the much better LB today; I still don't know another defensive player that will be better as a rookie this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bottom line: Hawk is going to be a very good pro. I don't know where Sims will be, but Hawk will be a damn good LB. Anybody who can't see that has a bias or an agenda.

[Iron Mike]

Bottom line: Hawk is going to be a very good pro. I don't know where Sims will be, but Hawk will be a damn good LB. Anybody who can't see that has a bias or an agenda.

Or a Bear Troll.

[b bulldog]

Hawk is playing much better but as of now, DeMaco Ryans is playing the best of all the defensive R's and Hawk is probably second in terms of LB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hawk is playing much better but as of now, DeMaco Ryans is playing the best of all the defensive R's and Hawk is probably second in terms of LB.

Too funny! And you know this how? I'm sure you've been riveted to the Texans three blowout losses. Ryans has 0 sacks, 0 pass deflections, 0 forced fumbles, and 0 fumble recoveries for a defense that gave up 500 yards (240 yards rushing) in week 3, 515 yards in week 2, and 450 yards in week 1.

[b bulldog]

A lb's job is to make tackles, sorry if your player that your so fond of isn't leading the rookie class of LB's in tackles.

[b bulldog]

lets see here, if you don't judge a lb by his tackles made, what should we judge them by?

[b bulldog]

10 tackles a game is good enough for me and probably most GM's throughout the league, I guess it is quite funny, isn't it?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't judge them by either. I haven't seen Ryans, so I couldn't tell you who is better. I doubt you have either. Ryans plays MLB. He should have more tackles than a WLB. He's also made 0 sacks, pass deflections, turnover plays for a defense that is giving up 500 yards/game (thus, one that's on the field a lot--which gives their MLB a bunch more plays to make meaningless tackles).

[b bulldog]

being a Mario fan, I've seen two of their games and I think he has a decent shot (Ryans) to be the defensive R of the year. A MLB's job is to tackle, period!