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[woodbuck27]

Nutz,

I know you're preparing for the draft. I'm busy as hell so I won't be watchinig much football but if you ever get a chance to watch a Georgia game, it might be a good idea to eye up Quentin Moses. I know he's not quite as heavy as a guy might like but if he's got something between the old KGB's first step and Freeney's, he could be a very valuable player for 6 or 7 years untill he loses it like they all do.

I'm gonna try to record at least one game so I can see this kids first step. If it's lights out, he's going to be my guy to hope for. If he just looks so/so off the snap than I'll go a different direction. I really want a dominate defense though and I know we won't be dominate untill we can pressure the QB. Moses might be that guy but we'll have to see what he's got before any conclusions are drawn.

GregJennings:

You then... are in agreement with Wist43.

With the state of OUR current pass rush, and not enough pressure on the Opposition's QB. The Packers are getting dominated in that aspect of the game. The Pass.

THE OBJECTIVE - to counter the passing game...

" is to attack the origin of the pass ".. Attack the Opposition's, QB !

We are seeing competent QB's pick OUR aging CB's ( C. Woodson and Al Harris) and developing young players ( N.Collins, M.Manuel and nickleback A. Carroll ). We are seeing OUR Secondary, curently absorbing more heat than they can presently deal with.

The Packer Secondary was " the BIG LOSER " in the Lions Game.

We are going to face a severe test in week 4 in Philadelphia, on both sides of the ball. We need to have a realistic game plan installed and executed just to keep us close in that next BIG Game. Somehow Mike McCarthy and Company, must get OUR Rushing game on track.

We just experienced an early step forward on behalf of OUR inexperienced OL. Overall.. we had to be pleased with how the OL protected Favre and the ball. Now we need to get more control with SUCCESS running the ball.

Favre has had to take it ALL on in the Saints and Lions games. That can't be expected to continue. Brett Favre should never have to pass more than he did yesterday. To call upon Brett Favre to pass > 40 times is a formula for destruction.

The Eagles "D" will do more (possibly) than just get to him!

We can defeat the Eagles if it ALL comes together next week.

Win that one... we are 2-2 and a REAL chance of being 3-2 with " the Rams " coming to Lambeau, just before OUR Bye week.

It's ALL about... us playing as a cohesive Team with a solid Game Plan in place.

ALL about... understanding " the Eagles " strengths (not alot of weakness's Packer fans) and executing that Game Plan with confidence/determination for any REAL chance of Victory.

PACKERS @ Eagles.

GO PACK GO. Packer Fan Faith !!

[woodbuck27]

I think Ryan should be in the list of winners. When you have a punt like this:

4-5-GB25 (2:27) J.Ryan punts 59 yards to DET 16, Center-R.Davis. E.Drummond MUFFS catch, and recovers at DET 9.

How is he not a winner? He punts from his own 25, and puts it inside the 20? Sweet Jesus, the ST coach must've creamed himself

I agree. Ryan had something like a 48 gross average and a 44 net on five punts. It's in a dome, sure, but that net average is wicked good. I'm surprised Woodbuck hasn't started a thread or five about it.

Also, I missed the scene that Swede describes of MM gathering himself after the fumble and exhorting his D to finish the game out. That sounds kind of cool.

" I'm surprised Woodbuck hasn't started a thread or five about it." Noodle


Noodle, with all respect:

As a Canadian. I have long before... 95% of the member's here... been well aware of who Jon Ryan is and " the promise " Jon Ryan brings to " the Green Bay Packers ".

Certainly, and based only on his ability and talents.

I have supported and have faith in Jon Ryan. I don't take it for granted that he's a LOCK to remain OUR punter, yet Jon Ryan's far from stinkin' up the joint. I trust that Jon Ryan's on track and improving as a Packer punter as best he's able.

I don't feel a need to extoll what should now be sinking into the collective consciounce of Packer fans.

That Jon Ryan is doing for himself and OUR Team as best he may.

I have faith ( believe ) Jon Ryan will only improve and make Packer fans feel both pleased and fortunate to have his services.

Jon Ryan is to date and since he signed with us. Growing in his promise, a solid acquisition, for OUR Teams efforts to be competitive and win football games.

May I add.

A huge factor in any discussion of a punter's success in his Net punting Average is the reality of that punters ST punting coverage of the oppositions punt returner.

GO PACKERS Vs Eagles in Week 4 !! Packer fan faith.

[MJZiggy]

Buck, after the performance he's put in the last couple weeks, he is pretty much a lock to not only remain on the roster, but to keep Mike Stock a very happy man. After people started suggesting that he was outkicking his coverage, I began watching and there hasn't been one punt that I've seen where the gunner wasn't nearby when the ball came down. He's been blocked a couple times, but he's always down there. Punt coverage in general was much better this game.

[mmmdk]

Biggest need next season? Hands down, a CB unless you can snatch a sure fire DE in FA or in the draft - DEs are harder to get/find. Thirdly, a RB then a G/T.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I disagree. DL is a more critical need. I think the corners would be fine if we had a pass rush. It actually seems to be more coverage breakdowns than anything. The safeties and Poppinga have been burned as much or more than the three corners. It doesn't help that we haven't put together a pass rush--other than for one half against New Orleans. Kampman is fine. I'm afraid that KGB just isn't up to snuff anymore.

[ahaha]

I disagree. DL is a more critical need. I think the corners would be fine if we had a pass rush. It actually seems to be more coverage breakdowns than anything. The safeties and Poppinga have been burned as much or more than the three corners. It doesn't help that we haven't put together a pass rush--other than for one half against New Orleans. Kampman is fine. I'm afraid that KGB just isn't up to snuff anymore.

I think you hit the nail on the head. We need a guy on the D-Line who can create havoc and make the rest better. Of course, who knows who will be available when it comes to our draft pick? If we have a chance at a real value pick cornerback versus a 'Vonnie Holliday' type DE, I think we go with the CB. In any case, I think they'll have to pick one or two D-Lineman in the first three rounds.

[mmmdk]

I disagree. DL is a more critical need. I think the corners would be fine if we had a pass rush. It actually seems to be more coverage breakdowns than anything. The safeties and Poppinga have been burned as much or more than the three corners. It doesn't help that we haven't put together a pass rush--other than for one half against New Orleans. Kampman is fine. I'm afraid that KGB just isn't up to snuff anymore.

I did not say DL was not important...I said get a CB unless you can get a sure fire DE. Those are hard to find but you gotta grab'em if they're available. Not even Super Mario is a sure thing. DE/DL cost a fortune in FA but again, if the right guy is there - GO GET HIM! Only a QB is more important than a dominant DE/DT.

[mmmdk]

I think you hit the nail on the head. We need a guy on the D-Line who can create havoc and make the rest better. Of course, who knows who will be available when it comes to our draft pick? If we have a chance at a real value pick cornerback versus a 'Vonnie Holliday' type DE, I think we go with the CB. In any case, I think they'll have to pick one or two D-Lineman in the first three rounds.

I couldn't have said it better

[Fritz]

"How is he not a winner? He punts from his own 25, and puts it inside the 20? Sweet Jesus, the ST coach must've creamed himself."


Ummm, I think he did. I saw one of the young assistants hurry over to Stock with a ball rag after that punt.

[pbmax]

Gotta disagree on two of em Nutz.

Kampman was rushing against 1 and 1/2 players all game, as he was getting chipped by backs and TEs. He also set up both of Corey Williams sacks by push the QB into the pocket.

Woodson took the receiver in motion closest to the sideline before the snap on Williams TD. He had coverage on another receiver underneath, it wasn't his play. Collins had deep coverage on that side of the field and simply picked up Williams too late. Perhaps the LB should have bumped or steered the WR offline, but he was clearly Collins' guy.

On the other hand, while he has been getting turned around and roasted for his technique the last two weeks, he had a good turn and run then batted down a pass down the opposite sidelines in the second half. The only negative here is that he was a step behind and an on target throw might have cost him another TD.

[BooHoo]

Overall, the defense was a loser. As they have been all year (3 games anyway). There have been moments of excellence by certain players but overall our defense has not played well.

Where is one of last years best defenses?

[Partial]

I disagree. DL is a more critical need. I think the corners would be fine if we had a pass rush. It actually seems to be more coverage breakdowns than anything. The safeties and Poppinga have been burned as much or more than the three corners. It doesn't help that we haven't put together a pass rush--other than for one half against New Orleans. Kampman is fine. I'm afraid that KGB just isn't up to snuff anymore.

I did not say DL was not important...I said get a CB unless you can get a sure fire DE. Those are hard to find but you gotta grab'em if they're available. Not even Super Mario is a sure thing. DE/DL cost a fortune in FA but again, if the right guy is there - GO GET HIM! Only a QB is more important than a dominant DE/DT.

With that said, I think a valid point is made. I am highly skeptical that we'll be able to land a better prospect that Mr. Williams in this draft. The last player to look as good as he was Mr. Peppers, and that was several years back.

[Fritz]

What the hell is wrong with this defense this year? The Lions had a very banged up offensive line - even Ross Verba left the game early - yet the Lions ran at will on the Packers. What the...?

If Mike Martz wasn't so in love with his own genius he'd have given the ball to Kevin Jones thirty times and won the game. Jones averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

[Partial]

What the hell is wrong with this defense this year? The Lions had a very banged up offensive line - even Ross Verba left the game early - yet the Lions ran at will on the Packers. What the...?

If Mike Martz wasn't so in love with his own genius he'd have given the ball to Kevin Jones thirty times and won the game. Jones averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

This was the first game the run defense looked poor, but consistently this season they haven't looked good against screens and short routes, which consequently I find surprising since they supposedly improved their LBs by leaps and bounds.

[Scott Campbell]

Biggest need next season? Hands down, a CB unless you can snatch a sure fire DE in FA or in the draft - DEs are harder to get/find. Thirdly, a RB then a G/T.

There's a first round CB coming out of Utah next year - Eric Weddle.