Jeeee Jaaavooon who ???

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nicely said Harvey. Walker could have finished his contract and asked for an extension, but no, he wanted it redone, tried to hold out

Driver went down the same path, the difference was that Thompson renegoitated privately and pre-empted a public conflict.

Javon had a falling-out with the Packer organization and left. I understand Mad & Harvey took sides against him out of loyalty to the Packers. People normally take sides in a divorce.

And yes - the soldier business has little to do with it. I didn't bring-up that old sour moment.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think its extremely denegrating to soldiers to compare playing a sport to war. Its an age old analogy, but that doest make it right.

old George Carlin bit:

Baseball is a 19th century pastoral game.
Football is a 20th century new world order paramilitary power struggle.

Baseball is played in a park...the baseball park.
Football is played in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

The baseball field is...a diamond.
The football field is a gridiron.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything is dying.

In football, you wear a helmet.
In baseball, you wear a cap!

Football is concerned with downs. What down is it? Oh, it's the last down.
Baseball is concerned with ups. Who's up? Are you up? He's up! I'm up!!

In football, you get a penalty.
In baseball, you make an error...oops!

In football, the specialist comes on to kick something.
In baseball, the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has tackling, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting, sacking, and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has . . . the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather--rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog, major catastrophe, can't see, don't know if there's a game going on, mud on the field, can't read the uniforms, can't read the yard markers--doesn't matter, the struggle will continue.
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play. I can't go out, it's raining out!!

Baseball has the s e v e n t h i n n i n g s t r e t c h .
Football has the twominutewarning.

And, of course, the objectives of the games are also completely different.


In football, the object is for the quarterback, sometimes called the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which may consist of power plays designed to punch holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball, the object is to get home . . . safe.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Driver went down the same path, the difference was that Thompson renegoitated privately and pre-empted a public conflict.

We have no idea if Driver went down the same path as Walker. He never made it public, for one. We can't assume he would have been a "problem child" because Walker was. Plus, Driver has had many good seasons. Walker had 1 after two average ones and had a couple of years left on his deal. If he had waited a year and had another good season, I would have been on his side.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.

[MadtownPacker]

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.

But he didnt, then walker tore his ACL, then he really started crying.

Would you have called TT a fool then?

DD was healthy, a proven WR, a true team player, and had put in work. He deserves every damn penny and more. He aint a trust fund baby like you.

[mission]

seriously... why do we hate javon walker?

we dont need a reason. it's pretty simple.

he's not a packer, could have been, could have helped us, but personified the new school wide receiver reputation to a T and that's not a "guy" that ive ever had any respect for.

mckenzie getting burned, lost in coverage and looking like a gimp. great. walker shitting the bed or forever being a B+ receiver who underachieved. neato. if im wrong then... well, fuck him anyway.

i love sports because i dont need reasons to say "fuck so and so". it's juvenile and doesnt increase my perceived intelligence but hey, even being on this board allows me to not really give a shit. it's a world where my image and public perception doesn't affect me at all.

all bets are off and i dig it. i dont re-read my posts to check for grammEr like i would if i was writing a proposal for one of my clients and i sure as hell dont need to justify why i hate a person that ive never met.

it's fun and games buddy.

[Packnut]

TT

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.

But he didnt, then walker tore his ACL, then he really started crying.

Would you have called TT a fool then?

DD was healthy, a proven WR, a true team player, and had put in work. He deserves every damn penny and more. He aint a trust fund baby like you.

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

[mission]

Re: TT

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

all very good points and im not a fan of the money spent on manuel and woodson but i think the key is that walker had no interest in even being in green bay. at all. maybe someone can prove this wrong but i just remember it was more about the city and organizational direction (this is where TT can take some blame) than it was money.

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: TT

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

LOL

[MadtownPacker]

Re: TT

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

Childish feelings? Now youre just talking stupid.

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him. You seem to ignore that he didnt want to be a Packer and now that PACKER fans bash him for that you THINK its wrong?

From what I have read the contract the broncos gave walker offered little to no security if his knee or anything else screwed up. Never read much about a signing bonus so why dont you tell us how much it was? He has to make it through this season or they can cut him and he is assed out. What do you have to say about that??

As for signing manuel, well again you speak out your ass cuz i didnt like the signing or the woodson signing. My preference would have been that walker played good for the first half of 2006 and that TT showed him the $$$. But walker prefered to get out and that is MY problem with him. First and foremost I am a Packer fan before being a WR groupie.

Maybe you should know everything people think before you run your mouth?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Amen, amigo!

[GBRulz]

Re: TT

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

250k if you include the burbs

While not all players like the small city, I don't think that was one of the main reasons for Javon wanting out. He was actually very involved with alot of community events and was a major spokesperson for a few places, too. I know he took a big interest in things going on with the Brewers as well, since he used to play baseball himself.

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: TT

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

250k if you include the burbs

While not all players like the small city, I don't think that was one of the main reasons for Javon wanting out. He was actually very involved with alot of community events and was a major spokesperson for a few places, too. I know he took a big interest in things going on with the Brewers as well, since he used to play baseball himself.

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

Yeah, Javon is from some podunk town in Louisiana or Mississippi. Tallahassee, Florida (home of Florida State) is a town on the Florida panhandle that is about the same size as Green Bay or Omaha. They get a lot of country bumpkins there. LeRoy Butler didn't seem to have a problem adjusting from Tallahassee to Green Bay.

The thing with Javon is he isn't very bright. I think he had a lot of people (family, friends) telling him he should make more. I'm pretty sure it was all about the dollar signs. Denver isn't a real exciting town either, but I'm sure he's happy there after getting his extension.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: TT

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him.

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

[MasonCrosby]

Re: TT

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him.

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

but driver has been a steady #2 for years now and been quiet and never complained about his role, unlike walker who had one great year, then whined, blew out his knee, whined some more and got traded...

walker would certainly be great but after him and his dad calling out favre i had no respect for him...