Jeeee Jaaavooon who ???

[woodbuck27]

Does it have something to do with stealing mopeds? If they're friends of Madtown, I'm sure they back the pack, that's all that really matters.

Harlan my friend !! NO !!

[mission]

Re: TT

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

Something tells me Javon Walker isn't too concerned about getting a tan...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: TT

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

When news came out that Driver was unhappy with his contract, a overwhelming majority on here said that he should get paid. Part of it was that he did it in the right way. Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: TT

but driver has been a steady #2 for years now and been quiet and never complained about his role, unlike walker who had one great year, then whined, blew out his knee, whined some more and got traded...

Javon was a model player prior to the contract dispute. If a contract was renegotiated, it would have pre-empted the "whined" phase, so that time period has nothing to do with it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: TT

When news came out that Driver was unhappy with his contract, a overwhelming majority on here said that he should get paid. Part of it was that he did it in the right way. Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

As far as we know, Walker went about it "the right way" too. He went to Thompson to discuss his contract. Thompson said "no renegotiation." That is what Driver did, he just got a different answer. You may theorize that Driver would have meekly played-out his career under a puny contract if he got a "no renegotiation" response, but I doubt it, and we can't say.

Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

Fair enough. If you don't think Walker was worth a raise, then Thompson's approach makes sense.
I think Thompson's stance was disasterous, players like Walker don't grow on trees.

[pbmax]

I am of two minds on Javon vs. Donald.

You should NEVER pay for what the player has already done. Drvier must play well for several seasons for that extension to make sense.

But Driver was a fully known commodity and on his third or fourth contract.

Walker hadn't finished his first. He had one breakout year and a nice finish to the previous.

That said, his best football was ahead of him, certainly prior to injury.

But he wasn't done with his first contract. No one remembers to include the signing bonus when talking about his "salary".

And no one asked him to pay back the first 2 1/2 years salary and bonus when he stunk.

An extenion to Walker makes sense, but ONLY if we know what he was asking for.

[woodbuck27]

[quote="FavreChild"]Brett Favre - 340 yds passing

Completions to:

DD
Ferg
Jennings
K Rob
Hendu
Green
Herron
Lee
Franks

More???

This is the correct " IT"s A NOW.... THE WAY IT IS POSITION ".

Backing up. Javon Walker felt that his Rookie Contract was outplayed, as a result of his performance in 2004 and a resultant PRO BOWL Selection to back himself up.

His position was strong " in himself ", and he got support fr. all those NFL fans... that felt he had " in fact " outplayed his Contract and therefore deserved more.

The other argument that came to the forefront.

Why work for a team that isn't recognizing your status and development as a first round pick, when you delivered on that promise. Javon received a Pro Bowl selection in 2004 based on excellent numbers.

In 2004 he dressed for all 16 games with 12 starts. He had 89 receptions for 1382 Yards a 15.5 yard Avg. and a long of 79 yards. That was good for 12 TD's. 19 receptions for +20 yards and 7 receptions for + 40 yards and 63 of those receptions or 71% of them went for a 1st down.

Everybody then !!!

Javon played the " I have proven to YOU that I'm one of the TOP WR's in the NFL so pay me ", card.

As I recall his Rookie Contract was through the 2007 Season?

Isn't it reasonable that if TT wasn't going to afford LG Miike Wahle, and that he tried to reduce S Darren Sharper's Income by $4 Million for the 2005 season... that Javon wasn't going to get special consideration?

Wasn't it OUR position that as Javon was under Contract... that holding the Team hostage over his services in liew of his demands being met, wasn't an option?

TT and Yes to Walker and more $ was a NO for start of 2005 !

BANG !! Javon Walker goes out for the season in game 1.

The worst case scenario for us... that really pushed on the JW will never play again for us.

Reports from Walker define the situation as one where TT ignored him and I have to believe that state of ignoring Javon Walker (and a possibe re-negotiation) despite the adversity he came down with in game one of 2005 season .. was a reality.

See it fits Ted's agenda. Strengthen or weaken the Packers?

With the exception of the contract Extention that DD received fr. TT and his hand was pretty well forced in that direction. Given DD's performance last season, his Vet Status and the fact he is OUR #1 WR and settting aside 'the fact" he'd be gone if TT ignored his request for more $...[b]DD got what we (the fans) desired for him. More $ and an extention.

A Pro Bowl selection in 2004 backed Javon's desire for a new Contract up. Javon felt that he delivered his end of the bargain based on his obvious performance and in his talent and (EGO) he wanted to be compensated in accordance with the proven weapon he was.

TT had no plan to sign JW this season. He wanted to trade Javon Walker for "his Baby" the Draft. To TT Javon was yesterdays wash water.Actuall he had no choice as JW was done with him and we still hear this..done with Brett Favre.

I'm not buying into that " JW hated Favre" baloney. Favre merely made a Packer leadership Stance.

TT's decision to let go of JW was right for his needs. JW clearly stated he'n never play again for the Packers. Was that due to Favre or "the fact" that TT kept JW nowhere?

Who knows in Green Bay the past two Seasons under Ted Thompson?

In this post I'm not ripping a new one for Ted Thompson.

TT had to trade JW !! Flat out... a fact of life.

Did he get enough in return after the trade of Walker to Denver?

That can't be properly assessed at this time... can it? We have too many developing players, as a result of moves Ted Thompson made in OUR Draft utilizing the high 2nd Rd. Draft pick secured for the trade of JW to "the Broncos".

My position is to let go of this we'd be better off with JW. Yes we would. On "O" for certain that's the case. That wasn't going to happen with his wanting attitude that got him to "I want the HELL out of Green Bay".

Let's assess that trade of JW in three years.

It's a time thing.Somefow we