KGB

[SkinBasket]

Finding someone who can do that, AND rush the passer is a tough find in free agency, and won't come cheaper than KGB.

I dont disagree with that. I just think we could have someone who does what KGB "does" for a lot less money. I'm not saying we could upgrade for less, just that we could have the same production for less.

[KYPack]

RG,

I'm not gonna pick out 3 DE's for you to do your analysis. My reasoning is simple.

I think it's more fundamental than you post in your "Keep KGB" post.

He's aging, makes WAY too much $ (for what he can do next year) and we will finally save a little $ by cutting him. There are other factors, such as KGB being a Shermanoid, that make me think he's gone. I think he'll be cut or radically restructured.

I had a similar debate with Patler over Diggs last year. We kept it simple, a couple posts apiece.

I turned out right on that one which leads me to believe I'll wrong on this one, something like that rarely happens twice.

I can see you like the player, hey, so do I. He represents all that is good about Pro Football, he's a fantastic person, as well as busting it every play. He justs makes too much $ (I know you think that ain't so, but we'll see) and is getting old for that job.

They cut him or his pay in the off season.

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I think there is a reason we are fans and not GMs/coaches

[Tony Oday]

I think KGB will be great when we sign Freeney next offseason...

think about it...TT wants to be Wolf reincarnate...Wolf signed a STUD DE...Freeney is available next year and we have cap room...

[GoPack06]

Freeneys gonna get like 80 billion a year when he hits free agency.

[MJZiggy]

If Freeney is that good why are we assuming that he's gonna actually hit free agency. Isn't it more likely that with the second year of staggered increases in the salary cap that he will be resigned? Unless, of course, the Colts decide he's old and no longer worth the money, but I don't know that I see that happening.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I don't see Freeney hitting the market, but I can see the Packers jettisoning KGB at the end of the season--either via trade or free agency--and, as is typical TT style, addressing the void in the position with a high draft pick. I'd be OK with that.

I like KGB; I do agree that he is pretty one-dimensional though and that fact is a liability to our young defense.

tyler

[Zool]

If Freeney is that good why are we assuming that he's gonna actually hit free agency. Isn't it more likely that with the second year of staggered increases in the salary cap that he will be resigned? Unless, of course, the Colts decide he's old and no longer worth the money, but I don't know that I see that happening.

You and that pesky logic Ziggy. Teams wont be getting much in FA over the next 4 years until the overbloated salaries take up the slack in the increasing salary cap. The franchise tag is see'ing to that.

As good as Freeney is, I cant see giving up 2 first round picks for him if he's tagged.

[Lurker64]

I don't see Freeney hitting the market

So the Colts are going to tie up 75% of their cap money in 3-4 players? The salary cap might cushion that blow, but the Colts are already topheavy.

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If Freeney is that good why are we assuming that he's gonna actually hit free agency. Isn't it more likely that with the second year of staggered increases in the salary cap that he will be resigned? Unless, of course, the Colts decide he's old and no longer worth the money, but I don't know that I see that happening.

He won't. I don't see how they possibly are going to make it happen, but they're going to franchise him. They already said they would franchise him if they can't work out a long term deal. I have no idea how they are going to keep so many big salaries, but we'll see. Who knows if Harrison will play another year or if Corey Simon will still be on the team after this year.

[Partial]

I don't see Freeney hitting the market

So the Colts are going to tie up 75% of their cap money in 3-4 players? The salary cap might cushion that blow, but the Colts are already topheavy.

That was my thought exactly, but they have publically acknowledged that they will franchise him if they cannot resign him to a long-term deal. My thoughts are they are the benefactors of renewing all their contracts before the cap went wayyyy up!! The have manning, Harrison, Wayne, Simon, etc. at what will be relative bargins after this years cap jump.

[retailguy]

If Freeney is that good why are we assuming that he's gonna actually hit free agency. Isn't it more likely that with the second year of staggered increases in the salary cap that he will be resigned? Unless, of course, the Colts decide he's old and no longer worth the money, but I don't know that I see that happening.

Simple Zig, because they WANT him. Therefore he'll be available....


I can't see it happening though, he'll get franchised, and sign an 8 year deal that'll really be about 4 or 5.

KY - I'm not trying to engage in a KGB lovefest. If it came across that way, I was not very clear.

I just don't see the contract in the same light you do. There are so many needs elsewhere, I can't see Thompson spending a 1st round pick, and probably not a 2nd round pick on a DE. KGB's salary is not that bloated for another year, however, that assumes that his sack totals don't drop, just as packersnews.com claimed.

Finally, I'm disappointed you don't want to look at the numbers. I'm as disappointed in his production and his run stuffing abilities as you are, but, in my opinion, his contract numbers don't back up that perspective. Today, he's got a relatively pedestrian cap charge compared to the rest of the league DE's (that are not either on their rookie contract or in the first couple of years of a new deal).

If he gets canned, it's for two reasons, 1st he's a sherman guy, and 2nd they've got somebody else that I just don't see on the roster right now. If these two don't happen, he'll be here and probably finish out the remaining two years of that contract.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I don't see Freeney hitting the market

So the Colts are going to tie up 75% of their cap money in 3-4 players? The salary cap might cushion that blow, but the Colts are already topheavy.

I can't find a report on the Colts' salary cap situation, so I can't answer your question. My recollection is that the majority of that money is tied up in Manning, Wayne and Harrison. They need to lock up some players for the future on defense as well.

I don't know about you, but other than June, Freeney is the only player that I'd lock up long-term on that defense. I think it will be a priority for them in the off-season.

I could be wrong, but who knows...

tyler

[Zool]

I don't see Freeney hitting the market

So the Colts are going to tie up 75% of their cap money in 3-4 players? The salary cap might cushion that blow, but the Colts are already topheavy.

I can't find a report on the Colts' salary cap situation, so I can't answer your question. My recollection is that the majority of that money is tied up in Manning, Wayne and Harrison. They need to lock up some players for the future on defense as well.

I don't know about you, but other than June, Freeney is the only player that I'd lock up long-term on that defense. I think it will be a priority for them in the off-season.

I could be wrong, but who knows...

tyler

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSalary?categoryId=67048

Here are the 2006 salaries, but not the cap hits.

[retailguy]

I can't find a report on the Colts' salary cap situation, so I can't answer your question. My recollection is that the majority of that money is tied up in Manning, Wayne and Harrison. They need to lock up some players for the future on defense as well.

I don't know about you, but other than June, Freeney is the only player that I'd lock up long-term on that defense. I think it will be a priority for them in the off-season.

I could be wrong, but who knows...

tyler

You aren't wrong JSR, they'll lock him up. There would be a riot in Indy if he got free. As long as he's willing to work a creative deal, he'll be there long term. If he isn't he'll play at least a couple of seasons on the franchise tag, ala Walter Jones.