KGB

[RashanGary]

KY...

I agree that KGB isn't that bad. I agree with what you're saying and he'll just get worse with every year.

KGB will be 30 years old next season. He'll never be as good as he is now and he's not as good right now as he was 2 years ago.

He might have another season in his legs but you can only speed rush for so long and it drops off. It's already dropping off. I havn't seen KGB turn the corner like he did 2 or 3 years ago and dominate a tackle.

His best days are behind him.

While we could probably get by with him for 1 more year, I'd rather start searching for a replacement. I believe a dominate pass rusher would make a big difference on this team. In fact, it's my #1 hope for next off season.

If he was smart, he'd lengthen his career with some HGH

[SkinBasket]

Just found this on profootballweekly whispers section:

DLE Aaron Kampman is among the league leaders in sacks this year after signing a lucrative long-term deal this offseason, but we hear that he still benefits from the double-teams that teammate Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila commands. In fact, two of Kampman’s sacks against the Saints came against a tight end, and while he’s a cagey and intelligent player, we’re told he doesn’t possess the speed or athleticism to contend with double-teams if he’s game-planned against.


I bring this up because of the KGB part about him being double teamed. If KGB can command a double team and leave a TE on Kampman that's good for the overall defense.... and was very good for Kampman in terms of his new contract.

Basically it's the point I was trying to make earlier in the week. I'd pat myself on the back, but am afraid I'd break my arm...

Not saying it is "worth" the packers paying 5mil a year, thats not the point, however, DC's seem to value KGB more than some of the guys in this forum, perhaps even including me.

This last game, Kampman was doubled 46% of his snaps. WTF is KGB doing on those? Spinning in circles and getting pancaked is my bet.

[Fritz]

"I don't get why so many people have a boner about this guy,"

I feel the same way about Tom Cruise.

KGB is still starting, which tells us that there's no DE on the roster who is better, at the moment. Bet a DE is high on TT's wish list for next year.

Anybody who's had any tape to watch, how does Mike Montgomery look?

[Bretsky]

Montgomery showed a few flashes of being a player in one of the three games.

[Tony Oday]

If you havent seen KGB get doubled then you have been watching the guys in purple this season we are in green and gold.

Freeney will be a free agent next year because they cant afford his contract and cant afford to franchise him. They have everything wrapped up on the other side of the ball this is the last year of their window.

Put these two guys on a line and rotate KGB out on 1st and 2nd downs with Kamp or since Kamp is having a GREAT year thus far maybe he will garner interest on the trade market.

[MJZiggy]

Why would you trade Kampman if he's having a great year? Aren't you supposed to keep the ones that are performing?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Put these two guys on a line and rotate KGB out on 1st and 2nd downs with Kamp or since Kamp is having a GREAT year thus far maybe he will garner interest on the trade market.

you lost me.

[retailguy]

Why would you trade Kampman if he's having a great year? Aren't you supposed to keep the ones that are performing?

I think he meant that "tongue in cheek". I don't think he's impressed with Kampman.

Ok, other quotes..... not by ziggy

KGB is still starting, which tells us that there's no DE on the roster who is better, at the moment. Bet a DE is high on TT's wish list for next year.

I agree with this, we've got nobody else who is better than KGB even on run downs. I don't agree it's any higher on his wish list than the other 15 positions that need upgrades. If he can get one, he will, if he can't he won't cut KGB, and I'm not sure he'll cut him either.

Montgomery showed a few flashes of being a player in one of the three games.

Agree, but not in relation to being a run stopper. I see nothing that indicates that he can replace KGB even on 1st downs. The flashes that I saw were him getting penetration. We need a run stopper...

If you havent seen KGB get doubled then you have been watching the guys in purple this season we are in green and gold.

This has been my experience... KY, I haven't taped any games this year and don't intend to start. It is simply too painful. I have ZERO desire to rewatch these games, even for a specific purpose.

The allegation that KGB isn't being double teamed is asinine. Look, I'm not bashing at you, nor am I trying to start a fight. But, in basic formation it's 5 OL on 4 DL... Someone is always double teamed. Then you add a TE in the mix and it's 6 on 4.

So. What I saw in the Detroit game was this - (and I only watched periodically, personally I'd rather watch the opposing offense than our defense),
but, I saw the LT and the LG on KGB, the Center on Pickett/Williams, the RG on the three technique, typically Jenkins, and the RT/TE on Kampman. Occasionally, the RT would slide and double Jenkins leaving the TE on Kampman, and occasionally the RT would take Kampman and the TE would go catch a pass in front of Poopinga....

So, I'm either crazy and Detroit played without a LG, or, Pickett got a whole bunch more double teams than I saw. My biggest gripe this whole season has been that Pickett hasn't commanded more double teams. I believe that this allows them to double KGB more often, and that's NOT a good thing.

I'm gonna go clean my glasses now, so I'm ready for Monday night, and, sorry KY, I'm not taping NOTHING this season. I do not want to watch it again. It is simply too painful. I'm not enjoying this rebuilding AT ALL.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think he meant that "tongue in cheek". I don't think he's impressed with Kampman.

This is a rough crowd. I can't think of a single Packer player that hasn't been dismissed by some fans. Brett Favre - maybe until the last 2 or 3 years nobody dared say he was a crappy player.

Look at the best players on the defense - Nick Barnett, Kampman, Al Harris - they've all taken a TON of criticism the last 3 years.

Every player is somebody's idea of a crappy player, almost without exception.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That's true Harlan. Even old reliable, Chad Clifton, playing hurt, is not immune. About the only guy that has gotten a pass is the local boy, Mark Tauscher. Even Donald Driver has his detractors. At least, we aren't seeing the Driver is a decent #2 receiver but nothing more posts right now.

[RashanGary]

That's true Harlan. Even old reliable, Chad Clifton, playing hurt, is not immune. About the only guy that has gotten a pass is the local boy, Mark Tauscher. Even Donald Driver has his detractors. At least, we aren't seeing the Driver is a decent #2 receiver but nothing more posts right now.

LOL...

AJ Hawk and Greg Jennings are working their way up the list of untouchables but we still have bulldog preaching about Mario the zero sack wonder

[KYPack]

Why would you trade Kampman if he's having a great year? Aren't you supposed to keep the ones that are performing?

I think he meant that "tongue in cheek". I don't think he's impressed with Kampman.

Ok, other quotes..... not by ziggy

KGB is still starting, which tells us that there's no DE on the roster who is better, at the moment. Bet a DE is high on TT's wish list for next year.

I agree with this, we've got nobody else who is better than KGB even on run downs. I don't agree it's any higher on his wish list than the other 15 positions that need upgrades. If he can get one, he will, if he can't he won't cut KGB, and I'm not sure he'll cut him either.

Montgomery showed a few flashes of being a player in one of the three games.

Agree, but not in relation to being a run stopper. I see nothing that indicates that he can replace KGB even on 1st downs. The flashes that I saw were him getting penetration. We need a run stopper...

If you havent seen KGB get doubled then you have been watching the guys in purple this season we are in green and gold.

This has been my experience... KY, I haven't taped any games this year and don't intend to start. It is simply too painful. I have ZERO desire to rewatch these games, even for a specific purpose.

The allegation that KGB isn't being double teamed is asinine. Look, I'm not bashing at you, nor am I trying to start a fight. But, in basic formation it's 5 OL on 4 DL... Someone is always double teamed. Then you add a TE in the mix and it's 6 on 4.

So. What I saw in the Detroit game was this - (and I only watched periodically, personally I'd rather watch the opposing offense than our defense),
but, I saw the LT and the LG on KGB, the Center on Pickett/Williams, the RG on the three technique, typically Jenkins, and the RT/TE on Kampman. Occasionally, the RT would slide and double Jenkins leaving the TE on Kampman, and occasionally the RT would take Kampman and the TE would go catch a pass in front of Poopinga....

So, I'm either crazy and Detroit played without a LG, or, Pickett got a whole bunch more double teams than I saw. My biggest gripe this whole season has been that Pickett hasn't commanded more double teams. I believe that this allows them to double KGB more often, and that's NOT a good thing.

I'm gonna go clean my glasses now, so I'm ready for Monday night, and, sorry KY, I'm not taping NOTHING this season. I do not want to watch it again. It is simply too painful. I'm not enjoying this rebuilding AT ALL.

I'm with ya.

I still watch the tape, and reprrise what's happened.

Force of habit, I guess. iIgive up, essentially. I say KGB is in his final season, you say he's become a bargain of sorts. Let's let time sort it out.