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  • Cliff's article; 9-26-06; No one scapegoat...

    No one scapegoat for Packers' lack of playmakers
    Posted: Sept. 26, 2006

    Cliff Christl

    Green Bay - In case any of you missed it, Javon Walker caught three passes for 130 yards and scored the two touchdowns that allowed Denver to beat Bill Belichick's New England Patriots Sunday night. A week earlier, it was a reception by Walker that set up Denver's winning field goal in an overtime victory over Kansas City.


    The big plays covered 24, 32 and 83 yards. The 24-yarder against the Chiefs came against Ty Law, a Pro Bowl cornerback last year. The 83-yarder against the Patriots came against double coverage.


    Three weeks into the season, the Broncos appear to be one of several teams with a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl and Walker has emerged as their biggest playmaker.


    Those who feel it necessary to blame Mike Sherman for all that ails the Green Bay Packers shouldn't lose sight of that.


    It was Sherman who traded up to select Walker with the 20th selection in the 2002 draft. It was Walker's emergence as a playmaker late in 2003 that gave the Packers a real chance at winning their first Super Bowl in six years.


    It was the receiving combination of Walker and Donald Driver - they combined for 173 catches, more than 2,500 yards and 21 touchdowns - that allowed Brett Favre to finish with a 30-17 touchdown-to-interception ratio and the Packers to win another division title in 2004, despite a defensive collapse that led to the team's lowest ranking in 21 years.


    It was under current general manager Ted Thompson's watch that Walker first threatened a holdout over his contract and then became so disenchanted with the organization, in addition to a personal clash with Favre, that he demanded to be traded and threatened to become a cancer within the locker room if he wasn't.


    Of all the players the Packers have lost through free agency or been forced to trade in recent years, Walker was the one who left the biggest hole and probably would have had the biggest impact had he stayed.


    In a league where quarterbacks and playmakers matter most, Walker was the only young playmaker on the Packers' roster.


    Had he not been lost for the season with a knee injury in last year's opener, he might have made enough plays to win enough of the eight games that the Packers lost by a touchdown or less to keep them in playoff contention.


    This year, how much more explosive might the Packers be if they had a receiving corps of Walker, Driver and rookie Greg Jennings? How much would their mere presence in a three wide receiver set open up the running game? How much better would Favre be?


    Thompson traded Walker for a second-round draft pick. He parlayed that choice into five picks. Those players turned out to be Daryn Colledge, Will Blackmon, Ingle Martin, Johnny Jolly and Tyrone Culver.


    Does anybody believe that it will ever turn out to be an even exchange?


    The intent here isn't to blame only Thompson for the current state of the Packers. Or to even second-guess him for the trade. The circumstances involving the Walker mess might have been largely unavoidable and, in the end, trading him might have been the Packers' only recourse.


    Nor is the intent here to absolve Sherman of his role in the Packers' decline since the start of last season. His obsession with trying to find the one or two players who might have put the Packers over the top and allowed them to win another Super Bowl while Favre was still in his prime backfired. By trading too many picks during the three years that he ran the draft, Sherman was at least partly responsible for the erosion of the Packers' infrastructure. And as a result, they are not only short on playmakers, but also solid starters.


    But Thompson's at fault, too.


    He chose to let Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera, Darren Sharper and Ryan Longwell go.


    Think about it. How much better would the Packers look on paper with Walker, Wahle and Sharper? Then again, they might only have been good enough to tread water - another two, three years of 10-6 finishes and early exits from the playoffs - before the bottom fell out.


    Maybe Thompson's approach will hasten the Packers' rebuilding efforts. After all, it was inevitable after going 13 years without a losing season that the organization would have to rebuild at some point. That's just how the system works in the NFL.


    So why not sooner than later?


    In truth, neither Thompson nor Sherman is more to blame than the other. Considering he never drafted higher than 20th, Sherman did well with his three first-round picks: Walker, Nick Barnett and Ahmad Carroll. That's a better track record than Ron Wolf ever had over a three-year period with his first-round selections.


    It was Sherman who drafted perhaps the Packers' two best defensive players: Aaron Kampman and Barnett. If Walker hadn't been traded, he'd probably be the Packers' best offensive player.


    But, you say, Sherman's picks from the second round on down were a disaster?


    That's true to an extent.


    Besides Kampman, only Scott Wells is starting. Corey Williams is a solid reserve.


    But let's go back to Denver and New England, two teams with two of the most respected GM-head coaches in the game: Mike Shanahan and Belichick.


    Do you know how many players on Denver's roster Sunday night were taken in rounds two through seven from 2002-'04 drafts? Two and only one starter, running back Tatum Bell. Another, Clinton Portis, was traded for Denver's standout corner Champ Bailey.


    You know how many from those drafts played for New England in that game? Five, four of them from the 2003 draft. But only three started: Safety Eugene Wilson, center Dan Koppen and cornerback Asante Samuel. One other, Deion Branch, was recently traded for a first-round draft pick.


    True, Belichick and Shanahan drafted better than Sherman over that three-year span, but not by much. And they each had a top 20 pick in that period.


    So if you feel compelled to play the blame game at least spread the blame around.
    "What's one more torpedo in a sinking ship?"
    Lynn Dickey, 1984

    "Never apologize, mister. It's a sign of weakness."
    John Wayne, "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon"

  • #2
    imo, it shows just how hard it is to make it to the SB. We were darn close in the 4th and 26 year. that was Shermans shot, he blew his load on that team....they fell short. I guess you cant blam him for tryin.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by chewy-bacca
      imo, it shows just how hard it is to make it to the SB. We were darn close in the 4th and 26 year. that was Shermans shot, he blew his load on that team....they fell short. I guess you cant blam him for tryin.

      But people do, Chewy, but people do......

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      • #4
        Originally posted by retailguy
        Originally posted by chewy-bacca
        imo, it shows just how hard it is to make it to the SB. We were darn close in the 4th and 26 year. that was Shermans shot, he blew his load on that team....they fell short. I guess you cant blam him for tryin.

        But people do, Chewy, but people do......
        Noone blames him for tryin'. They blame him for failing.

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        • #5
          Good lord -

          Can we all stop living in the world of "What if?"

          We're 3 games into this season and Cliff decides to write THIS?

          ABSO-FRICKIN-LOUTLEY insane.

          "Everyone's born anarchist and atheist until people start lying to them" ~ wise philosopher

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CaptainKickass
            Good lord -

            Can we all stop living in the world of "What if?"

            We're 3 games into this season and Cliff decides to write THIS?

            ABSO-FRICKIN-LOUTLEY insane.


            he's pissed his buddy walker didn't get paid

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            • #7
              The Packers get their first win and give fans some small measure of excitement and hope for the future. We haven't had that in a while. You'd think, just this once, Christl might find a little something positive to write about. Hell no! Instead we get this article about who is to blame for our woes. Nobody, everybody, we might be on track, we might be in a freefall. It's everybody's fault because they all suck as bad at team management as Billicick and Shanahan. Thanks for the insightful commentary Christl, you pompous jack-ass.

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              • #8
                There is so much I disagree with in that article, I don't even know where to begin.
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  Re: Cliff's article; 9-26-06; No one scapegoat...

                  Originally posted by K-town
                  Sherman did well with his three first-round picks: Walker, Nick Barnett and Ahmad Carroll.
                  I guess you do learn something new every day...

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                  • #10
                    Fact

                    Ir-regardless of personel feelings, the fact is the Packers would be a better team right now with Walker. Anyone who denies that is totally football ignorant. TT blew this one big time and the FACTS speak for themselves. Walker made Denver a better team and that's a FACT!

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                    • #11
                      LoL This guy is living in some kind of dream world. Why is he constantly whining about stuff that could not be helped, stuff that anyways done and over with? Imagine if we had Sharper and Whale? Imagine if Sherman didnt blow our cap money that would be used to resign them, on complete BUSTS. Imagine if Sherman could find us more then 2-3 above average players out of all his years of drafting.

                      Also if we hadnt of traded Javon Walker, we probably wouldnt of drafted Greg Jennings, therefore most likely go into the season with the Javon/Driver/Ferguson trio, so i doubt we would be seeing a Javon/Driver/Jennings core.

                      "Thompson traded Walker for a second-round draft pick. He parlayed that choice into five picks. Those players turned out to be Daryn Colledge, Will Blackmon, Ingle Martin, Johnny Jolly and Tyrone Culver.


                      Does anybody believe that it will ever turn out to be an even exchange?"


                      Turn out this year? No. I dont think ANYONE would argue that.

                      Daryn Colledge could be our future LT if he continues to progress, that ALONE would be worth it (if he turns out). Will Blackmon was a HUGE sleeper, he can turn out to be a big time corner for us.

                      Of course that is full of "if's", but so is his entire article.

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                      • #12
                        i like how cliff didnt mention walkers countless drops before his plays against a weak NE secondary.

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                        • #13
                          Thompson was prepared to take Colledge at number 37, but then the wheeling and dealing started. If he didn't obtain a second 2nd round pick for Walker, he probably would have still taken Colledge at number 52 if he was still there. That would have probably meant no Jennings, or alternatively Jennings and Colledge but no Hodge, depending on what other teams draft boards were.

                          So you can't just say that you got College and a bunch of bodies for Walker, you got College, the ability to draft Jennings as well, and the rest of those guys.

                          I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have had Jennings if we didn't get that extra second round pick, as I understand it some other teams had him ranked as the top receiver on their board.
                          </delurk>

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                          • #14
                            Re: Fact

                            Originally posted by Packnut
                            Ir-regardless of personel feelings, the fact is the Packers would be a better team right now with Walker. Anyone who denies that is totally football ignorant. TT blew this one big time and the FACTS speak for themselves. Walker made Denver a better team and that's a FACT!
                            Nut, were the Eagles a better team last year with TO? But he's a great player...? If you think that Walker would not have been a cancer to this young football team, then YOU are ignoring the FACTS. And they speak for themselves, right?

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                            • #15
                              yeah, sure. green bay would have been a better team with walker on the roster refusing to play.
                              Always respect your opponent, even when you're kicking the crap outta him.

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