Keys To A Monday Night Win In Philly

[Packnut]

I firmly believe this will be the make or break game for Sanders as a DC. He's had 3 games to see the same problems repeat themselves and now we'll see if this guy has any clue about running a defensive scheme that works. This is what must be done in order to avoid our D being embarrassed on national tv:

1- Brian Westbrook. This guy has the ability to put up HUGE numbers against us. IF I see Poppinga singled up on Westbrook just once, I swear I'll drive up to GB next week and slap Sanders silly! It's obvious to everyone that we do not have a LB or saftey who can man up on Westbrook.
This is pretty much a pick your poison deal but I'd rather see their TE making plays against our D than BW controlling the game. I'd key Woodson on him all night long.

2- OK with Woodson on Westbrook, Harris has to man up all night long on Brown. This is a battle he should win. Stallworth is likely to play so that put's Collins on him. Keep Manuel up close to the line on 1st and 2nd down cause he's useless in coverage anyway.

3- If we keep Manuel in the box to stop the run, then we need to play an awful lot of nickel in order for Carrol to cover the #3 guy. He has improved his coverage skills and this is a match-up he should win.

4- Yep, I'm saying we go back to a srtictly man coverage. Our biggest problem is coming in zone coverages due to the fact that a certain DB coach is the worst coach in the history of football. Simplify the defense, cause nothings worked so far so we have nothing to lose. You know you've reached rock bottom when a scrub like Kitna throws for 350 against you. Desperate times call for desperate measures!

5- Screens. Sanders had better spend a lot of time this week on it cause no one does it better than Philly.

On offense, don't change a damn thing. MM has Brett in a zone, so go with it. I wanna see at least 4 or 5 screens to Green and may-be a DD reverse in order to keep the Philly D honest. They love to blitz, so 3 and 5 step drops are a must. 1st down PA is also a must.

The fan in me thinks an upset is possible here, but the realistic side of me knows it's almost impossible. I just want us to be competitive and not have a repeat of our last Monday night debacle.

[Pack0514]

Re: Keys To A Monday Night Win In Philly

.....go back to a srtictly man coverage. Our biggest problem is coming in zone coverages.......

I agree with this. I see poor communication in the defensive backfield. I cringe everytime a see a corner release a receiver to a safety. I dont know if our safeties are not in proper position or if our corners are releasing at the wrong time but its not a transition that is happening correctly and smoothly. Somethings not right and it needs to get fixed and fixed FAST

[pittstang5]

I see Andy " Fat Arse" Reid setting up playaction and going deep - alot. The Pack's defense has rolled over these past three games...now would be a good time to step up and get their sheet together or their gonna be in a hole....fast.

Westbrook is the one player that scares me on the Eagles team. He has the ability to break one everytime he touches the ball. If the pack D can contain him...they have a chance.

McNabb is absolutley horrible when under pressure. I'd like to see a game plan like the Pack had against the first game of Minnesota last year when they came out and just Blitzed, Blitzed, Blitzed. Culpepper was so confused, he didn't know whether he was coming or going. (nevermind what happened after half time - let the past be the past)

I'd like to see the Pack have a nice running attack for this game as well, but against the Eagles D - it ain't gonna happen. They'll have to set up screen passes, but they'll need to be careful that the Eagles D doesn't sniff that out. I'm thinking we'll see alot of quick slants for 5 - 6 yards to compensate.

[Tony Oday]

1. Approach Westbrook like we did Bush. Collins on him with Barnett Spying his direction.

2. Man up D Stizzle and Reggie Brown-eye with Woodson and Harris with Manuel helping Woodson.

3. This is Hawks day to cover a TE MAN UP!

4. This leaves Popp to not have to cover anyone so he has the FB and D Mcnizzle

5. Kamp, KGB, Jenkins, Williams and anyone else we rotate in there PREASURE D MCNIZZLE! But stay in your lanes and keep contain on him.

I think we can hold them to 17-21 points if that happens we win in my mind.

What do you guys think? I think this maximizes out strength and hides some weakness.

[mmmdk]

We've all seen improvement from our young Packers each week. Philadelphia, that's just a bad, bad matchup for the Packers. I think it's the most difficult game of the season. McNabb should have a field day and Westbrook might not get much on the ground but he'll get it on screens. I think two things could happen: either the Eagles trounces the Pack 38-17 or it's a shootout. In a shootout, Packers might have a chance, say 34-31. I really meant it when I said it was the most difficult game on the schedule. At Chicago? I don't think so! Packers will be better in week 17 and Bears might even play reserves. At Seattle is the only other candidate but Packers matchup better vs the Seahawks. I think Packers loses to Philly but comes back to Lambeau to trounce the Rams.

[Packnut]

Philly

We've all seen improvement from our young Packers each week. Philadelphia, that's just a bad, bad matchup for the Packers. I think it's the most difficult game of the season. McNabb should have a field day and Westbrook might not get much on the ground but he'll get it on screens. I think two things could happen: either the Eagles trounces the Pack 38-17 or it's a shootout. In a shootout, Packers might have a chance, say 34-31. I really meant it when I said it was the most difficult game on the schedule. At Chicago? I don't think so! Packers will be better in week 17 and Bears might even play reserves. At Seattle is the only other candidate but Packers matchup better vs the Seahawks. I think Packers loses to Philly but comes back to Lambeau to trounce the Rams.

Yep, your right, this is our most difficult game match-up wise. This has the potential to be very ugly.

[Packnut]

D

1. Approach Westbrook like we did Bush. Collins on him with Barnett Spying his direction.

2. Man up D Stizzle and Reggie Brown-eye with Woodson and Harris with Manuel helping Woodson.

3. This is Hawks day to cover a TE MAN UP!

4. This leaves Popp to not have to cover anyone so he has the FB and D Mcnizzle

5. Kamp, KGB, Jenkins, Williams and anyone else we rotate in there PREASURE D MCNIZZLE! But stay in your lanes and keep contain on him.

I think we can hold them to 17-21 points if that happens we win in my mind.

What do you guys think? I think this maximizes out strength and hides some weakness.

While some of us may differ on the scheme, we all agree it's time to try something different. What pisses me off is that for 3 straight Mondays, MM states the same damn thing-"it's mis-communication and we're gonna get that fixed". What a load of crap! They have had all training camp and the first 3 games of the season to fix it. Hell, at this point, I would'nt be upset if they drop everyone back and play the bend but don't break defense. Like I said, ANYTHING is better than what we've seen.

[havanother]

Westbrook put up like 170 total yards last week with TWELVE TOUCHES!!! I'd like to see the stats on how many times that's been done. He will kill our pathetic line. If he gets twenty touches catches or runs we lose by twenty. I'm buying extra beer and mixing it with the Kool-aid before I watch this future embarassmentl.

[ahaha]

Bend but don't break. On defense, we need to hold them to field goals. Hopefully get a few breaks like turnovers, key penalties, or dropped passes. The offense needs to be on the top of its game.

[Chester Marcol]

Rex Grossman was able to pass against us. Drew Brees tore us up. Kitna at times fired away at will. These aren't the most mobile of QB's. We got pressure only sparingly. After the first quarter, Drew Brees was mostly untouched. Our D finished good in Detroit, but at times Kitna was made to look better than he is.

Now comes McNabb. We have trouble getting consistant pressue on QB's with cement feet. I say McNabb rolling out and mobility is what will kill us. Our only hope is a shoot out, IMO. Reid is smart enough to script plays to put recievers in motion to have us covering Stalworth with a LB. The question that will be answered Monday night will be, are our coaches smart enough to fix these defensive issues so Poppinga isn't covering Stalworth and Woodsen is covering a FB.

[MadtownPacker]

Great thread!

I agree, stick Collins on Westbrook or else he is gonna kill the D. McMuffin stats dont tell the whole story cuz like half his pass yards are from westbrook making it happen.

Shut Westbrook down, win the game.

[woodbuck27]

We've all seen improvement from our young Packers each week. Philadelphia, that's just a bad, bad matchup for the Packers. I think it's the most difficult game of the season. McNabb should have a field day and Westbrook might not get much on the ground but he'll get it on screens. I think two things could happen: either the Eagles trounces the Pack 38-17 or it's a shootout. In a shootout, Packers might have a chance, say 34-31. I really meant it when I said it was the most difficult game on the schedule. At Chicago? I don't think so! Packers will be better in week 17 and Bears might even play reserves. At Seattle is the only other candidate but Packers matchup better vs the Seahawks. I think Packers loses to Philly but comes back to Lambeau to trounce the Rams.

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I'll take that...2 - 3 at the Bye with a W1 streak. That...cool to me.

The Philly "D" although suffering is still deadly.

Their "D" matched up to OUR "D" well really... we are seeing it. Teams are throwing on us at will.

The only way we possible keep their "O" held back is with aggressive play or man to man with OUR "D" and properly matched up athletically and talent wise.

If Our HC and his Coaching Staff cannot totally restructure OUR Defensive scheme (say to alot of man to man coverage) they will kill us with the combination of McNabb and Brian Westbrook. Donovan McNabb will have us stuck in the mud.

Here ..this game will emphasize just what we have as a Coaching Staff.

and..It's MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL.

On "O". M3 has to mix it up still and not go all HOG on Favre. Nothing over 40 pass's. Unless he has to go "to hurry up" inside the 2 min warning as Tom Brady did so well last Monday night... but NE had " Dick all" in their Running game.

I don't care to see Brett Favre passing more than (well 35 times) is really good (the benchmark) and that would inform me that we're gaining yards on the ground (with a benchmark of say 30 touch's).

Keep OUR TE's in it... and how about the strange fella that plays FB for us??? Is Hendo alive??

I just don't wan't us to be embarassed again on national TV...esp. Favre embarassed. NO NO NO !!!


GO PACK GO ! PACKER FAN FAITH !!

[Packnut]

Offense

Speaking of the hurry up offense, would'nt it be fantastic to see MM start the game with a no huddle offense? I never understood why Sherman did'nt give Favre the same chance that Manning or Palmer have. Take advantage of his experience and go with it. MM seem's to like the shotgun so what the hell, give it a try.This way you take away the Philly D's advantage and you dictate to them. There is a HUGE advantage in checking their defensive alignment BEFORE calling the play. The QB mike works up to the 15 second mark so MM will still have input.

[mmmdk]

Could Collins contain or at least limit Westbrook?

Here are the Philly stats:
Offense points scored -28.7 total yards, 436.0, pass-307.0, rush-129.0
Defense points allow.-21.3 total yards, 345.7, pass-252.7, rush-93.0


307.0 passing yards per game..ugh..and McNabb is mobile. Packers need to watch the game tape of Eagles vs. Giants or even last years Packer win over Falcons. Last year Packers got beat my McMahon, right? I think Poppinga spied on Mike Vick last year with great success - to some extend McNabb should be spied too but only when the defense brings the heat and the secondary would actually have cover TIGHTLY or McNabb burns you. Then mayby, just maybe.

[MJZiggy]

So McNabb gets 307, Favre gets 340. Ok.