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Are you demanding his head on a platter, Bearman? I think it's up to the victim whether he wants to press charges, isn't it? I mean, if he decides he doesn't want to then they leave it alone? right?
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Ur right ziggy, it just PO'ed me is all, and a 5 game suspension dosen't seem fare to me. But don't you think the Dallas player will be preasured into letting it go, dropping it? Just so the NFL don't get a black eye from it ? playing devels advacate here.
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Originally posted by BEARMAN
I think the Dallas player may very well be subtly preassured. It would give
the NFL a black eye if he were prosecuted.....
On an unrelated note, are you tailgating before the Bears-Vikes game at Soldier field....? Rastak will be there tailgating with a bunch of Bears fans and 2 Vikes fans.....Comment
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Quit saying stuff I agree with!!Originally posted by BEARMAN
I know that Jeff Fischer told Bill Parcells that if the punishment handed down by the league wasn't harsh enough, he'd take matters into his own hands. I am curious to find out what he thinks on the matter. Also, I found this:
Gurode plans to talk with his family about pressing criminal charges against Haynesworth, McGuire told Nashville police Monday."Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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I am with Bearman on this one...lets make this guy an example. Show other players in the league that its not right to assault someone like that. Prove it to the world that you have to guts to handle this like it was an off the field matter. Remember the suspensions dealt out in the Detroit-Indiana basketball game? How is this any different...still a human being getting assaulted.Comment
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OMG... BEARs and Packer fans agreeing... makes one almost.... ill.
Thanks Ziggy, hope his family talks some sence into him.
Rastak, I live in Wa. St. so no I will not be at that game.
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I still hate the bears.Originally posted by BEARMANOMG... BEARs and Packer fans agreeing... makes one almost.... ill.
Thanks Ziggy, hope his family talks some sence into him.
Rastak, I live in Wa. St. so no I will not be at that game.
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LOL, that's good to know billy, cos I still hate the packers too.
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No Charges, but Titans unsure if Haynesworth will be around next season..."Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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See, just as I thought, the NFL got to the Dallas player and had him not press charges. That is so much BS ! He says he got what he deserves... BS ! He deserves to be in jail ! Even if the Titans let him go, you know some other team will sign him. Heck, he is 6'6" and 332 lbs. Just another case of the miscarriage of justice ! #$%&*(*&^$#@! ANYWAY. Rant off, I am feeling muuuuuch better now,(not realy, but I don't want you packer fans thinking I am slipping). Just my .02 for what it's worth.
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Vengeful Reaction?
10/05/2006
Yahoo! Sports - Jason Cole
There has been plenty of hand-wringing and shouting over Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth's violent actions against Dallas Cowboys guard Andre Gurode this week, up to and including that Haynesworth should be sent to jail.
Late in Dallas' blowout win on Sunday, Haynesworth tore off Gurode's helmet and stomped on Gurode's face, twice. Gurode suffered seven cuts and required 30 stitches.
Perhaps the best take on the situation came from former NFL guard Kevin Gogan, a Pro Bowl player who helped win two Super Bowls in Dallas and had the honor (or is it dishonor?) of once being called the dirtiest player in the game.
Gogan gave a glimpse into what happens on the field and put the situation in some perspective in his weekly podcast on NBX.com.
"That was bad," Gogan said. "My quick take is that we saw the worst of what happened, but you have no idea what happened before that during the first 50 plays. There may have been some cheap shots before that. Obviously there was some frustration on (Haynesworth's) part. He got caught. He needs to be smarter than that.
"Usually, you don't get your payback like that. You usually have to wait for a few plays then you take your shot. You wait for seven more plays then you take another shot. You wait and wait until you get your opening then you go for the soft tissue. This was made worse because he opened a wound and caused stitches."
The league is rife with situations that are equal or worse to what Haynesworth did. In 1987, New York Jets defensive lineman Marty Lyons accidentally ended the career of Pro Football Hall of Fame Dolphins center Dwight Stephenson with a knee-shattering hit during a fumble return. To this day, the Dolphins believe it was a cheap shot. Lyons, friends with Stephenson since their playing days at Alabama, still has regret over the play, but maintains it was not intentional.
Now comes Haynesworth, who has a checkered past and now a checkered future after being suspended for five games by the NFL. The incident has prompted the hue and cry for severe penalties, including prosecution.
Here's the problem: We expect gigantic, strong men with a propensity for violent behavior to conduct themselves with certain level of decorum in the midst of playing their sport.
A sport that, by the way, is really nothing but organized violence and continues to allow all sorts of conduct that can cause severe injury, such as blocking schemes made popular by Denver over the past 15 years.
But when someone like Haynesworth goes beyond the parameters of what we deem to be acceptable violence, some of us scream and yell that he should be banned for the season, banned from the sport or even put in jail.
Give Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher credit for reacting effectively. He screamed at Haynesworth initially, apologized to Dallas coach Bill Parcells after the game and then made it clear that if the NFL didn't take drastic action against Haynesworth, he would. This sent a clear message that Fisher was in charge of the situation, which is essential to controlling all of the players on his team.
And give Haynesworth at least some credit for being contrite in the aftermath. Immediately after the game, he said he would accept any penalty doled out by the NFL or the Titans. He has called Gurode to apologize. The NFL Players Association has publicly said it won't fight the suspension and Haynesworth was scheduled to hold a press conference Thursday afternoon.
The five-game suspension, which will cost Haynesworth just over $190,000, might not sound like enough. But to put it in perspective, if this was the NBA, it would be a 25-game suspension. In baseball, it would be 50. Those are hefty penalties.
But does Haynesworth deserve to be criminally prosecuted for his actions?
Probably, and there is legal precedent. NHL player Todd Bertuzzi was criminally charged and pleaded guilty in March 2004 after slamming opposing player Steve Moore's head into the ice. The key difference between Bertuzzi and Haynesworth is that Bertuzzi talked before the game about taking retaliation against Moore for things Moore did in a previous game.
In legal terms, Bertuzzi demonstrated malice aforethought. So far, there has been no evidence of that in Haynesworth's case. That doesn't mitigate the act, but it does show a difference in circumstance.
In the end, Haynesworth's actions are inexcusable. He has and should be punished. But before people make him out to be a symbol of all that is bad in the game, understand the entire situation.
In short, don't overreact as badly as Haynesworth did.
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Just a minor little detail here, but if the league is rife with situations the same or worse than what Haynesworth did, why did the author have to go back to 1987 to find one. 19 years between incidents doesn't seem quite "rife" to me."Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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Put Charles Martin & Haynesworth in a cage in battle to death, gladiator style. IT's the only way to stop this insanity.Comment
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Dangit, stop making so much sence Ziggy!Originally posted by MJZiggy
Point I want to make is, 1. He PULLED the other players helment off. 2. He stomped on the other players head not once, but TWICE, he didn't like the damage he did the first time so he stomped a second time to finish the job. Those two things, pulling the helment off and the second stomp, make this a heinous crime !
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