Does Carroll have some compromising pictures of TT?

[vince]

Trick question - you know I can't watch games.

I watched the highlight reels, listened to the game and read every piece so far available, including Havel's call to cut Carroll.

But, I also know what context to apply it all in. If it were only Carroll, I'd be the first to agree. I had the same opinion about it when M3 singled out Harris recently. My stance is exactly the same.

If it were just one player, I'd be all warm and glowy about calling for his head.

But it's simply not. The entire secondary is outta whack, so say all the reports; the communication is completely inadequate, so say all the reports; and what is ever more apparant, Carroll plays more like in his rookie year with each passing down he is on the field.

Please, Ras, put it all into context and then claim it's the players' fault.

This is Schittenheimer's fault. Squarely.

Tarlam!, I'm no Schottzie fan, but Ahmad Carroll sucked the shit out of Greg Lewis' ass last night. He needs to be replaced now. The other players weren't perfect, but they were hall of famers next to Carroll's futility.

[wist43]

Carroll needs to go... I've defended him in the past, seeing the raw physical talent and hoping he could develop, but he's past redemption.

It's best to just cut ties with the guy at this point... pick up a street FA, and move forward from there.

Looking ahead, you have to figure there's no way he's on the team next year, so they should just go ahead and cut their losses now.

[Rastak]

Trick question - you know I can't watch games.

I watched the highlight reels, listened to the game and read every piece so far available, including Havel's call to cut Carroll.

But, I also know what context to apply it all in. If it were only Carroll, I'd be the first to agree. I had the same opinion about it when M3 singled out Harris recently. My stance is exactly the same.

If it were just one player, I'd be all warm and glowy about calling for his head.

But it's simply not. The entire secondary is outta whack, so say all the reports; the communication is completely inadequate, so say all the reports; and what is ever more apparant, Carroll plays more like in his rookie year with each passing down he is on the field.

Please, Ras, put it all into context and then claim it's the players' fault.

This is Schittenheimer's fault. Squarely.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. The reason I brought up your not being to able to see the games is because you seem so sure you're right but didn't even see the game. I'm not sure I could make bold statements myself without major qualifiers if I hadn't seen for myself what happened.


And I'll come back to it one more time, if your secondary coach sucks then perhaps Culver and Collins and all the very young players suffer, but the veterans have no excuse. And isn't it Sanders who is responsible for the game plan and defensive calls? I think you are making this way way more black and white than it is.

[run pMc]

I was only able to catch the 1st half. The funny thing is Carroll played pretty good the first half. At that point, it sounded like Harris was having the worst game.

Havel's article is a kneejerk reaction. Carroll isn't the answer as a long-term starter, but he's the best player we have right now to play the nickel.

I agree that a good coach can make an average player look good, or a bad player look average. Doesn't always happen that way, though. A bad player is a bad player. A bad coach can ruin everything. I think there's something very wrong in the secondary...a combination of chemistry, communication, and coaching. We'll probably see another overhaul in the secondary this offseason.

Is Carroll a bad player? I'd say he's average. He has very good speed & aggressiveness, but I don't know how coachable he is and he still seems to have a lot of rawness to his game. That should be gone by now, given his experience. That tells me he'll never reach his full potential.

Hey Havel, let TT decide what to do with him.

[vince]

I was only able to catch the 1st half. The funny thing is Carroll played pretty good the first half.

I'd like to hear from those who have the time in life to break down the game play-by-play, but I saw Carroll make one nice tackle on McNabb in the first half, and get turned in circles and beaten badly, albeit not for a touchdown, in the first half.

That does not constitute playing well in my book. Then, given the fact that you didn't see the second half, I'd recommend deferring judgement of his performance to those who did see the second half. To say that he didn't play well after halftime would be the understatement of the century.

I recall the words "Carroll," "roasted" and "toasted" being repeated numerous times by the announcers...

[mission]

run: the eagles didnt start really picking on carroll until the second half and got really really bad in a hurry. i just couldnt believe how bad our pass defense looked... everything was just bad.

i thought woodson was the only guy that played a "good" game back there... he definitely made some plays. collins comes in a close second with a couple breakups but still had mistakes of his own. beyond that, no one deserves a mention.

im fucking disgusted.

[cpk1994]

They should just release Carroll and replace him with a turnstile. You get the same results and save $1 Million at the same time.

[jack's smirking revenge]

They should just release Carroll and replace him with a turnstile. You get the same results and save $1 Million at the same time.

Great point!

tyler

[SkinBasket]

Funny how quick a lot of you are to defened Poppinga's crap-ass play with the "it's poor coaching" excuse, yet the same doesn't apply to Carroll. In fact, the coaching is now being DEFENDED.

This defense is an effen joke. Carroll played like crap last night, but looked no worse than Woodson against Det and Chi. I know we're only 4 weeks in, but for god's sake, it looks like no one on the D is "grasping" this scheme - if you can call it that. If we could play even average defense across the board, Carroll's weaknesses in coverage (and Poppinga's as well) and Manuel's molasses feet wouldn't be so easily exposed.

Whatever the hell Col. Sanders & Co. are doing, it ain't working for shit, so yes, it's easy to pick on our nickle back who can't get safety help on a deep route and it's easy to pick on our weakest LB who can't seem to cover even the slowest TEs and RBs. In a working D scheme, these players would be supported and assisted by the scheme. As it is, it looks like every man for himself out there, and that just isn't going to work.

In summary: We're screwed.

[Noodle]

No question, Carroll played poorly, but give the guy some credit for taking responsibility:

"It was me, not us," Carroll said after the game. "You can put the finger on me. Everything revolved around me. In the second half, they made four plays, three in the third quarter. They were on me. It was not what the team was doing, it was me."

Not exactly the words of a punk.

[SkinBasket]

No question, Carroll played poorly, but give the guy some credit for taking responsibility:

"It was me, not us," Carroll said after the game. "You can put the finger on me. Everything revolved around me. In the second half, they made four plays, three in the third quarter. They were on me. It was not what the team was doing, it was me."

Not exactly the words of a punk.

Has the D coaching staff ever taken any responsibility the way the players have this season? I know they aren't required to, but it sure would be nice if they didn't march these guys out in front of the media to hang themselves week in and week out while they sit and silently watch.

[jack's smirking revenge]

No question, Carroll played poorly, but give the guy some credit for taking responsibility:

"It was me, not us," Carroll said after the game. "You can put the finger on me. Everything revolved around me. In the second half, they made four plays, three in the third quarter. They were on me. It was not what the team was doing, it was me."

Not exactly the words of a punk.

At least he owned up to it. But when has he had a complete and standout game for a first round pick? He should be admitting that every week and shoveling down the humble pie and figuring out how to correct the problem.

Well, maybe that's asking too much--he IS the problem.

tyler

[pbmax]

Carroll came on to play with the base defense more after Woodson got banged up. Even after Woodson came back in, they started to target him. He made a fantastic play tackling McNabb but suffered in coverage.

He clearly has skills and is great in run support. But he needs extensive work on coverage. Should he be dumped? No. Should we keep drafting and bringing in street FAs to try and take his place? Yes.

And we need a different secondary coach. And that might mean Lionel Washington must go. Lionel has had Carroll longer than Schott and he still is behind.

[Badgepack]

Put Carroll at safety and demote Manual. At least Carroll has speed and can tackle.

[mission]

Put Carroll at safety and demote Manual. At least Carroll has speed and can tackle.

i actually like this idea. it seems carroll's biggest weakness is with his back to the ball... making a play in space and controlling his body seems pretty difficult for him.

i thought woodson played pretty well last night and definitely showed more effort than what he was doing previously. hopefully he can keep up these type of performances.