Greg Jennings

[RashanGary]

I see the rookie wall thing too.

I'm just saying that Patler has been constantly sighting reasons for why Jennings production could be a sham or not something to be excited about.

Each arguement has some backing, but when you put all of Patlers doubt against Jennings on a wall and examine it, most of it holds little water and Jennings just keeps poking holes while Patler plugs them wiht new reasosn for why Jennings might not be a great player.

Whatever though...I guess I'm partial to Jennings.

[the_idle_threat]

I agree with you completely on this one, GJ. My post was a response to Patler.

[mission]

Greg Jennings > Chuck Norris

[the_idle_threat]

Greg Jennings > Chuck Norris

Blasphemy!

Beware the wrath of Norris!

[wist43]

Jennings is going to be a very good player... If he keeps improving, and putting up better numbers, he could challenge for ROY.

[Patler]

When do you plan on quitting. YOu just had it in your head that he wans't a great pick and now your sticking to it as stubbornly as Tank is to TT hating. From day one, you've done nothing but argue that he's not doing as well as people say. YOu said Murph had just as good of praise when you were clearly incorrect. You said he would be lucky to get 500 yards and he's already half way there. When are you going to stop? Do you have a point when you recognize that maybe you were wrong or does this just go on forever?

Thank you for proving the point I made earlier this morning. See, YOU are a prime example of they type of fan who jumps to conclusions if I don't lavish praise on a player. You assume I dislike the player. I have never, ever criticized the pick of Jennings. I liked the pick at the time, I liked him in camp and I like him now. Just because I don't fall head over heals praising the guy doesn't mean I don't like him. I have always said he will be a good player, all I said that was at all "negative" is that 50+/1000+ is not likely. I am a staunch realist and I recognize that Jennings can be a great pick EVEN IF he is not a 50+/1000+ receiver as a rookie. I also recognize that 4 games is a long way from 16. He might stay on pace, he might taper off, he might even get better as the season rolls on. He might play a few more games, get injured and not play the rest of the year. Those are just some of the reasons why it makes little sense to extrapolate a years performance from 4 games. There are too many variables. Personally, I prefer to wait, and judge now for now. I never assume that things may not change. Usually they do, some times good, sometimes bad.

I have not said he isn't doing well, I have stated that he is. I will not admit I was wrong about Murphy, because I wasn't wrong about him based on the time at which I stated it. I still believe he could have made the same type of impact that Jennings has. He was a bit bigger, a bit faster, and was learning the offense well. But, his career ended and the team moves on, just as when Tim Lewis was injured, or LeRoy Butler, or countless others. What if the same thing happened to Jennings next week? Does that mean he was no longer any good? Of course not.

You are an example of the "all or nothing" fan that gets under my skin. If I don't think a Packer is the best player in the league at his position, than I obviously dislike him in your mind. Some of the same people who thought Nick Collins was borderline All-Pro last year now rip him. I tried to be realistic about Collins, saying he did well as a rookie, had great potential, but missed more tackles than Roman and played the ball quite poorly. I still think he has great potential. He still plays the ball rather poorly, hasn't missed a lot of tackles this year, but has looked poor in basic coverage a couple times. But guess what? In spite of all that, I still like Collins a lot, I think he was a very good draft pick, and I think he can still be an extremely good safety.

I have liked Jennings from when he was picked and I like him now. I will be very satisfied with 40+ catches and 600+ yards. Anything more is icing on the cake. I think Jennings can be another Donald Driver, but perhaps with better y.a.c. numbers than Driver, because that looks to be a strength of his. Tacklers sort of "fall off" him at times.

Let me ask you this. How many catches and yards would Jennings have if Walker was still in GB? What kind of numbers would he put up for the year? Would he be any "worse" just because Walker was here and Jennings numbers were not as good? Again, of course not. But that just shows how outside factors can influence the impact that a rookie will have. If Murphy had not gotten hurt, he would have had the opportunity last year. If Walker stayed in GB, Jennings would not have the same opportunity he has right now. So far, things are aligning for Jennings to have a very good rookie season. BUT, through no fault of his, that can change. If he stays healthy, if Favre stays healthy, if the running game stays mediocre, and if the Packers are behind a lot, he very well might make 60/1000. But things can and do change, which is why rookies don't typically reach those numbers.

[BF4MVP]

he came into a situation where a starting spot was wide open, with a disappointing veteran (Ferguson) penciled into it.

Speaking of Fergie, what a nightmarish season he is having. After not doing ANYTHING the first three games, now he may have broken his foot..And frankly, with the emergence of K-Rob, I really don't think it'll really make a difference, because he wasn't making any type of an impact anyways (offensively at least. He has made some plays on ST).

[BF4MVP]

P.S. Jennings has made plays all through the minicamps, the OTAs, the preseason, and the regular season thus far. Will it continue? No one knows for sure, but he's doing great so far.

[BF4MVP]

1 Marvin Harrison IND 29 413 14.2 0 38
2 Laveranues Coles NYJ 30 412 13.7 1 46
3 Andre Johnson HOU 30 410 13.7 2 53
4 Roy Williams DET 25 384 15.4 1 42
5 Reggie Wayne IND 18 358 19.9 0 41
6 Marques Colston NO 20 336 16.8 3 86
7 Torry Holt STL 26 332 12.8 3 42
8 Santana Moss WAS 17 326 19.2 3 68
9 Braylon Edwards CLE 17 324 19.1 1 75
10 Muhsin Muhammad CHI 24 324 13.5 1 27
11 Isaac Bruce STL 20 320 16.0 1 45
12 Donald Driver GB 23 319 13.9 1 48
13 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 22 316 14.4 1 46
14 Bernard Berrian CHI 15 316 21.1 3 49
15 Antonio Bryant SF 14 310 22.1 1 72
16 Keyshawn Johnson CAR 22 306 13.9 1 40
17 Anquan Boldin ARI 24 295 12.3 1 34
18 Darrell Jackson SEA 22 293 13.3 3 49
19 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 18 284 15.8 3 71
20 Derrick Mason BAL 20 265 13.3 0 38
21 Greg Jennings GB 15 259 17.3 2 75
22 Javon Walker DEN 11 250 22.7 2 83
23 Donte' Stallworth PHI 12 248 20.7 2 42
24 Drew Bennett TEN 18 245 13.6 1 36
25 Troy Williamson MIN 16 245 15.3 0 46
26 Reggie Williams JAC 21 243 11.6 3 48
27 Mike Furrey DET 22 242 11.0 2 25
28 Lee Evans BUF 19 241 12.7 0 27
29 Desmond Clark CHI 15 232 15.5 1 33
30 Eric Moulds HOU 18 230 12.8 1 29

That's priceless

[Patler]

I see the rookie wall thing too.

I'm just saying that Patler has been constantly sighting reasons for why Jennings production could be a sham or not something to be excited about.

Each arguement has some backing, but when you put all of Patlers doubt against Jennings on a wall and examine it, most of it holds little water and Jennings just keeps poking holes while Patler plugs them wiht new reasosn for why Jennings might not be a great player.

Whatever though...I guess I'm partial to Jennings.

I have never said a single one of those things!
I have never said his production was a sham.
I don't get excited about ANYONE'S performance. I just accept it for what it is.
If you think I have not liked Jennings as a player, you do not read my writings very closely. There is just too many years of coaching in me to get overly excited about any player, or predict season or career performances. About the time you do they tear up a knee or something and are never the same again.

It still remains unlikely that Jennings will get 60 catches and 1000 yards, simply because so few rookies do. If he does, great! But guess what?If he gets 80 catches and 1500 yeards as a rookie, it doesn't mean he will make the Hall of Fame, even though it would project to 1280 catches for 24,000 yards over a 16 year career.

Accept the now for the now, and don't set yourself up for disappointment by expectations for the future. As coaches always say, take it one game at a time.

I sincerely hope Jennings becomes an All-Pro. Hawk, Colledge and Spitz, too. However, I'm not about to predict it for anyone of them after just four games.

[Patler]

Speaking of Fergie, what a nightmarish season he is having. After not doing ANYTHING the first three games, now he may have broken his foot..And frankly, with the emergence of K-Rob, I really don't think it'll really make a difference, because he wasn't making any type of an impact anyways (offensively at least. He has made some plays on ST).

You can pretty much say the same thing for his whole career.

[Patler]

P.S. Jennings has made plays all through the minicamps, the OTAs, the preseason, and the regular season thus far. Will it continue? No one knows for sure, but he's doing great so far.

I agree with that completely.

[BF4MVP]

Speaking of Fergie, what a nightmarish season he is having. After not doing ANYTHING the first three games, now he may have broken his foot..And frankly, with the emergence of K-Rob, I really don't think it'll really make a difference, because he wasn't making any type of an impact anyways (offensively at least. He has made some plays on ST).

You can pretty much say the same thing for his whole career.

I can't disagree with you..But I mean, come on..He has like 30 yards through 4 game..

[RashanGary]

Well, you only had the preseason games to watch. I saw multiple hours of practice and watched the guy catch everything thrown his way.

I appologize for being an ignorant fan and assuming that route running and pass catching would transfer to the field.

[Patler]

Well, you only had the preseason games to watch. I saw multiple hours of practice and watched the guy catch everything thrown his way.

I appologize for being an ignorant fan and assuming that route running and pass catching would transfer to the field.

I haven't the slightest clue where that comment is coming from. Who said they wouldn't transfer to the field? But those alone are not enough for a great season, because external factors over which the player has absolutely no control also enter into the final result. Ask Javon Walker last year.