Carroll Released

[FritzDontBlitz]

i can't believe this thread is still this popular, considering every poll taken by jso and other sites has 90% of packer fans in favor of canning carroll.

and the fact that such a brash, undisciplined and notoriously uncoachable player is so popular among his teammates makes me really question where the defense's heads are at. i have never played on a team where the guy getting you killed every week was considered popular. but i played back in an era where team and unselfishness ruled. oh well...

[mraynrand]

i have never played on a team where the guy getting you killed every week was considered popular.

That's because it's a new guy each week - Collins in week 2, Manuel in week 1 and almost week 3, Woodson in week 4 along with Carroll. Perhaps Carroll is the worst of the bunch, but maybe the reason they all are 'feeling Carroll's pain' so to speak, is that they know they've played just as badly in stretches and, if the same criteria resulting in Carroll being canned were applied to them, they'd be unemployed too.

[Rastak]

i have never played on a team where the guy getting you killed every week was considered popular.

That's because it's a new guy each week - Collins in week 2, Manuel in week 1 and almost week 3, Woodson in week 4 along with Carroll. Perhaps Carroll is the worst of the bunch, but maybe the reason they all are 'feeling Carroll's pain' so to speak, is that they know they've played just as badly in stretches and, if the same criteria resulting in Carroll being canned were applied to them, they'd be unemployed too.

Reminds me of an interview with Tony Iommi I saw. He was the lead guitar player for Black Sabbath. He indicated they all had severe drug problems so they picked the guy with the worst and fired him (Ozzy Osbourne)...they felt like they needed to do something. Man, I laughed my ass off when I heard him say that.....there has to abe a parallel to this situation somehow.

[KYPack]

Bush & Dendy have played ball before, but not in the NFL. These are the youngest of the young and this is like running out into rush hour traffic

You are only half right. Dendy was on the Packers active roster for the final 8 games last year and played in 4 games. He was a game day inactive the other four. He was on the practice saquad the first 8 games.

4 games and two tackles are under Dendy's belt, but he's a rookie to me, bud.

However, he was with the team the entire year last year, and practiced with the active 53 for a full half season. He is not near the neophyte that a true rookie is. He knows what is demanded of nfl players over the course of a full season, etc, etc. The speed of the game is not completely foreign to him.

There was all kind of complaining last year when Thomas was released too. Half said it should have been Carroll. Others made the same arguments about "demoting" him and keeping him around for ST and "just in case". All the Packer had was inexperienced players, etc. etc. etc. Little was already out at the time.

Instead, Horton ( a virtual rookie) played, Hawkins (a rookie) played, Dendy (a rookie) played, Underwood (a rookie) played. Those were the guys that came in for nickel and dime. Did anyone even miss Thomas?

It's probably point of view.

Hawthorne, Thomas, and Hawkins are 3 of the worst cover guys I've ever seen. I cheered when they wacked those guys.

Carroll had some potential. He actually made some strides in the second half last year, & I saw a turn around for his career. I was even tempted to make some bold posts about how he would make it happen this year, but I didn't gave the balls to actually post the information.

That's good, because that Mon nite in Philly was a debacle. That's as bad a game as you can have.

Now I am one of the guys wanting to demote him and keeping him around for ST and "just in case".

Yer probably right, but I can't see burning a # 1 pick. But we probably should. One point is that Carroll was not ready to go in, he didn't prepare himself and looked like a man drowning on the field.. I think he can play better than that if he prepares.

I'm done here, cutting him or benching HAD to take place, they picking the cut. They made a decision at least. let's see if Bush or Dendy have some skills. From what very little I've seen, they are way too green and totally unprepared for the league.

But so was Carroll Mon nite.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Carroll not getting claimed really surprises me. Usually when a first round pick, a guy with some obvious talent, gets blown out of somewhere, somebody gives me a shot. Well, maybe next year. When does Arena League get started?

[Brainerd]

Carroll not getting claimed really surprises me. Usually when a first round pick, a guy with some obvious talent, gets blown out of somewhere, somebody gives me a shot. Well, maybe next year. When does Arena League get started?

Doesn't suprise me too much. Someone may yet give him a shot even though he has zero ball skills. You're suppose to cover the man and play the ball. Its called football not footman.

[ahaha]

I'm surprised about this 'popularity with teamates' thing. I guess everybody is going to have a few friends. Remember that game in Carroll's rookie year where Roman threw a hissy fit at Carroll? I'm guessing Roman didn't think too highly of him as a teamate then. Or what about Joey Thomas? Fighting with a fellow DB outside the meeting room. That doesn't sound like the actions of a great teamate, and I think Thomas would agree.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Carroll not getting claimed really surprises me. Usually when a first round pick, a guy with some obvious talent, gets blown out of somewhere, somebody gives me a shot. Well, maybe next year. When does Arena League get started?

Am surprised to, maybe all the teams he's taunted are holding a grudge against him.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I'm surprised about this 'popularity with teamates' thing. I guess everybody is going to have a few friends. Remember that game in Carroll's rookie year where Roman threw a hissy fit at Carroll? I'm guessing Roman didn't think too highly of him as a teamate then. Or what about Joey Thomas? Fighting with a fellow DB outside the meeting room. That doesn't sound like the actions of a great teamate, and I think Thomas would agree.

the thomas incident was particularly bad. according to reports joey thomas (3rd round pick in 2004) was mercilessly teasing carroll about being chosen as the starter only because he was a 1st round pick (which i agree was the case.) carroll got so pissed off that he attacked thomas - FROM BEHIND according to the stories.

[BooHoo]

Carroll not getting claimed really surprises me. Usually when a first round pick, a guy with some obvious talent, gets blown out of somewhere, somebody gives me a shot. Well, maybe next year. When does Arena League get started?

Am surprised to, maybe all the teams he's taunted are holding a grudge against him.

He's had many penalities called against him. The word is probably out so no one wants to take the risk.

[Fosco33]

I saw this elsewhere but didn't see if it had been posted yet...

NFL career
• 34 Games played with the Green Bay Packers by cornerback Ahmad Carroll

• 28 Games in which Carroll started

• 33 Total penalty flags thrown against Carroll

• 26 Penalties called for coverage violations such as pass interference, illegal contact and holding

• 256 Penalty yards marched off as a result of his 24 infractions that weren't declined or offset by another penalty

• 11½ Touchdowns Carroll allowed in coverage

• 3 Interceptions by Carroll

• $1.8 million Remaining portion of the $3.95 million in guaranteed money Carroll received as a rookie that the Packers must count against their salary cap either this year or next

[OS PA]

The new article from JSO on Blackmon gives some hope to the fact that Thompson is shopping some draft picks for a Cornerback.

[woodbuck27]

Two other things of note in todays JSO edition:

Perceived as mouthy, immature and not nearly as good as he portrayed himself to be by many on the outside, cornerback Ahmad Carroll was nonetheless a popular player among many of his fellow defensive backs in the Green Bay Packers locker room.

Not really the sign of a guy with an attitude problem.

The player who stands to gain the most from Carroll's release for now is Patrick Dendy.

The 6-foot, 190-pounder out of Rice was promoted to the active roster on Wednesday and immediately stepped into the nickel with the No. 1 defense. He also saw some time in the slot, a spot that Charles Woodson has been holding down to date...

In regards to his ankle:

"It's going to be sore but it's not hurting me," he said.

This was our plan? To bypass the other CBs on the roster and push a PS guy with Glenn Robinson syndrome into what amounts to our starting line-up? Can't wait to see how big Bulger's eyes are going to be Sun.

There are no if's and's or but's here... on the Ahmad Carroll release.

Ted Thompson blew this one.

A terrible move to cut Ahmad Carroll with nothing to speak of as a bona fide backup.

Who backs up the Nickle spot starter Dendy, who isn't even good enough to be a backup on any other NFL Team?

What in "H" is TT thinking?

I'm not a camper / Packer fan.

[Patler]

Look at things a little more closely before you worry about who will replace Carroll.

He averaged more than a penalty a game, seemed to improve a bit the end of last year, but as a part time player this year in four games committed two penalties that were accepted and two that were declined.

He has been absolutely torched by even mediocre receivers this year. Maybe other DBs have been too, but so what? Just because others have been bad does not justify keeping Carroll. Maybe others should go too, but its not about "fairness" among players playing poorly, its about improving the team, and you do that one player at a time at this stage of the year.

Carroll has proven for 2+ seasons that he is incapable of making plays on the ball downfield, even when he has good position on the receiver. This was a big knock against him coming out of college and he has not improved at all. Teams have realized that you can throw at him EVEN WHEN HE IS IN GOOD POSITION, and you still have a strong liklihood of success, because he will not make a play on the ball and/or is likely to get a penalty.

As one commentator said this week, if Carroll had not been a 1st round pick he would have been cut already last year. His draft status and really good athletic ability kept him around this long, but that does not make him a competant NFL cornerback, nor one that the Packers should invest more time in.

I have done a complete 180 turn in my opinion about Carroll. I thought his play improved last year in the last 6 or 8 games. This year he showed that it hadn't. I'm not talking about mistakes in coverage, lining up, things like that for which you can sometimes blame coaching. He showed this year that most of the time he won't do anything in the passing game even when he is in position to do it. I strongly supported him last summer, but his performance the first four games this year has been very poor, and indicates that even in the individual skills area he has not changed at all since college.

He was a willing and capable tackler in rushing defense, but a nickel back who can't prevent pass completions has little value to the team.

[Tarlam!]

I have done a complete 180 turn in my opinion about Carroll. I thought his play improved last year in the last 6 or 8 games. This year he showed that it hadn't.(...)

This is exactly why I would NOT have cut the boy. Instead, I would have cut the guy responsible. Schottenheimer.