Carroll Released

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well it's fully sunk in and all I can say is what a classless move by Ted Thompson. Carroll played hard and always showed pride in being a Packer. People hated his boasting and bragging and never gave him slack for being so young. Demoting him would have made sense but just kicking him to the curb is BS!

So he has a bad game and gets cut while mega-money raider trash Woodson aint exactly lighting it up and Harris is racking up penalties like Predator collects skulls????

How is it that Bates had him looking good last season but now that the same coach from 2004 (remember them getting smoked for long PASS PLAYS) is back, Carroll and the whole secondary look like crap!!!!!!

Bad move, TT better find a way to clean this up soon or the Rams will be dropping again 30+ next week.

Unfortunately, I don't think it was just one bad game. He gave up the TD against New Orleans. While others were bragging about how he wasn't giving up completions, I pointed out that it's probably just more of the fact that teams weren't throwing on him. His ball skills are horrible. I don't care if it looks like he has coverage, he gives up too many plays anyways. If I were an opposing QB, I'd go after him all day--whether it looks like he has coverage or not because 80% of the time he isn't going to make a play on the ball.

[MadtownPacker]

OK well what about Woodson? He aint worth that $$$.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OK well what about Woodson? He aint worth that $$$.

He wasn't very good against Chicago and New Orleans. He's been decent the last two weeks (remember that Harris and Manuel were the main goats in the Detroit game). This week was his best week. I never thought Charles Woodson would be a savior. His Pro Bowl days are behind him. However, I feel much more confident about him than Carroll. The big question is whether he'll stay healthy all year.

The dollars Woodson got are not that lethal to the cap. He can be cut with little consequence after the year, so that's not an issue for me. As long as it doesn't hurt the long-term cap, I don't really care what a player makes.

[SkinBasket]

I still just hate the idea we let someone go that could contribute on a poor-ass special team unit just to make a "statement" when it's obvious the entire defense, and the DBs especially, are a wreck right now.

It's not so much that I hate losing carroll, who I've been a defender of. I hate cutting usuable talent in the name of making a scapegoat.

With or without Carroll, this team would still be 1-3. It's not like we were on the cusp of victory twice and Carroll gave up the game winning TD to sink us from 3-1 to 1-3. That's what makes this a sacrificial scapegoat more than a "statement."

[MadtownPacker]

I just hate the raider. But if you get paid big you should play big.

Anyways, TT didnt need to cut Carroll like that. Could have just demoted him.

[gureski]

Here are my cranky thoughts after reading the 7 pages worth of posts...

I think I saw one person even pass by the real issue here which is WHY WAS CARROLL ON THE TEAM to begin with? This is not management holding people responsible. This is not taking a stand against bad play. All you people talking with that moral highground tone are missing the boat. This is mismanagement. In training camp you have multiple guys available to you to try out and sample. You can put a rookie in the mix and get them ready to play. What the hell do you do now, entering Week5, to shore up this self inflicted wound? Who the hell do you get at this late stage to be your #3 CB?

It's just pathetic that they did this. It is no shock to anyone who is paying attention that Carroll is a poor CB. Management knew he was a poor CB when they decided to keep him to start the season. What changed in 4 weeks that made it necessary to cut the kid? It weakens the team and hurts morale during a time in which morale is weak to begin with. Who replaces him now? Why are we in a situation in Week 5 where we're looking for a #3 CB? That's flat out failure by management. You should not be looking for a #3 CB at this stage of the season!

I'm just outraged at the nature of this management team. I hate it. As of right now I hate it. I have little confidence in Thompson as a GM and I have no confidence in McCarthy and his pathetic staff. Alot of the defensive problems are a result of poor playcalling and bad scheme. When you have safeties covering WR's regularly....that's poor playcalling. It's the coaches job to get talent in the proper position to succeed. Then it's the players job to make plays.

If you keep Carroll as a pure special teams guy (which every team has some guys like this) then that's an improvement on special teams. The coaches said he was improving overall but that he kept having problems with the deep ball and penalties. SUPRISE!!! He had problems with those things the last two seasons! They couldn't see that going into this season? I called for Carroll to be cut two years ago so I'm not Carroll backer but I can't stand by and take part in the love-fest for management cutting the guy when it seems as if a good argument can be made that he actually started to mature and improve his overall game. Nobody can tell me he couldn't have been useful in a special teams role and nobody can tell me that he couldn't have been a useful DB in emergency situations. Someone mentioned trying him at safety..... hell, why not? Anything short of just flat out cutting the guy at a time when the team has nowhere to turn would be better then what they did.

Bottom line is that although this is a move many people wanted to see, the timing of the move hurts the team. This shows mismanagement. Indecision. Don't let the fact that you wanted to see this happen divert your attention away from the real issue here. It doesn't help the team. It's another example of Thompson not providing players for the coaching staff before the season starts and then doing nothing during the season to correct his mistake. See the guards decision from last year to further this point. At the very least, you'll be hard pressed to find someone of the athletic calibur of Carroll to hold a roster spot on this team. You may find guys that will cover as good or better but as far as overall value to the team, Carroll's value will be higher then anything they can pick up off the street at this point in time. And I can say that because if there were guys walking around the street that were good then the other 31 teams in the NFL would've staked a claim to them. The state of DB's in the NFL this year is NOT GOOD. There are many teams looking for help. This mistake by management and it shouldn't be praised.

Ask yourself what management's strategy was going into this season when they decided to keep Carroll as the #3CB? Was it Carroll or bust? Was there no back up plan? I mean, if the guy was cuttable material to management and they stuck him in there and didn't acquire anyone behind him of substance then what does that say about them? And then they change their minds 4 weeks into the season!

[run pMc]

With or without Carroll, this team would still be 1-3. It's not like we were on the cusp of victory twice and Carroll gave up the game winning TD to sink us from 3-1 to 1-3. That's what makes this a sacrificial scapegoat more than a "statement."

I'm with ya, mostly. Carroll was never gonna be a quality starting CB, but he could provide quality depth...in the right system with good coaching. I think we saw glimmers of that last year. I don't think he's the sole reason GB is 1-3.

All I know is that he's gone, and TT & M3 better have a plan. STL has a good offense and they are gonna be throwing all day on GB. Time for Al Harris to play up to his "I hope teams throw to my side of the field" smack talk.

[gureski]

All I know is that he's gone, and TT & M3 better have a plan. STL has a good offense and they are gonna be throwing all day on GB.

That's the whole point! WHAT PLAN COULD THEY POSSIBLY HAVE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE OF THIS? You drop your #3CB after Week 4 because he exhibited traits that he had exhibited for his entire career! WHO do you get at this stage of the season to replace this guy? The answer is you don't get anything of quality that can help you win now. You get projects and gambles!

Push it further....DB's formerly on the team that are no longer on the team...Hawkins, Horton. Why cut ties with these players if you were anywhere near considering cutting Carroll? I mean, if it's even close, then protect yourself at that position! No?

It's flat out mismanagement. Now the team gets to spend the rest of the season with rookies and projects at a vital position. We still pay the guys contract and we don't even get special teams duty out of him. Once the decision was made to keep Carroll, they committed. You can't change your mind after 4 weeks. It's too late! That's the whole point! Around training camp there would've been guys you could've looked at. now what? Try to lure A.Plummer out of retirement?

[MJZiggy]

Can someone please tell me exactly what this quote means?

"We felt it was time to go in another direction," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "We wish Ahmad luck, and on a personal level, it may be in his best interest for him to move on to another NFL venue."

Thanks.

[Patler]

What changed in 4 weeks that made it necessary to cut the kid? It weakens the team and hurts morale during a time in which morale is weak to begin with. Who replaces him now? Why are we in a situation in Week 5 where we're looking for a #3 CB? That's flat out failure by management. You should not be looking for a #3 CB at this stage of the season!

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Ask yourself what management's strategy was going into this season when they decided to keep Carroll as the #3CB? Was it Carroll or bust? Was there no back up plan? I mean, if the guy was cuttable material to management and they stuck him in there and didn't acquire anyone behind him of substance then what does that say about them? And then they change their minds 4 weeks into the season!

No great mystery here. The plan has been in place since the off season. Move Carroll out of the starting spot, see if he can contribute at Nickel. They would like to have had a competition in camp between Blcakmon and Carroll, or even Dendy (who they seem to like) and Carroll, but both Blackmon and Dendy were injured. Both are now returning to health and ready to play, and Bush has been around for a month and knows the system. he is now ready to contribute, too..

That's why Carroll was kept around, and why he is gone. Because of injuries, mostly, he was the only alternative. Now, others are ready. As MM said yesterday, this has been disgussed for a long time.

[cheese_man]

he was not even playing that bad and our Nickel conerback might be Jarrett Bush. thats some bull

[Noodle]

Skin, ND and others are right -- this move makes no sense. Demote, maybe, but cut? Anybody think Manuel has been lightin' it up? So why not cut his sorry ass and try moving Carroll over? And what has Pop showed except a white skin, a buzz cut, and a lot of old school attitude? Cut his sorry ass. And KGB -- gone. Now, do you feel better?

People act like every reception is the fault of a DB. That's crap. Receivers all over the league are gaining beaucoup yardage nowadays due to the rules. Catches are going to happen, especially when you don't put up a pass rush and thereby allow receivers time to make double and triple moves.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. I guess we can just forget about playing dime this year. Even nickle will be a stretch. And we better hope those two old men on the corners don't get nicked.

[Patler]

Can someone please tell me exactly what this quote means?

"We felt it was time to go in another direction," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "We wish Ahmad luck, and on a personal level, it may be in his best interest for him to move on to another NFL venue."

Thanks.

It means they had gotten sick and tired of him in GB. He needs a new place and new coaches for a fresh start.

MM also mentioned meeting with his position coaches. Washington is in charge of the nickel package and cornerbacks. he also has been with Carroll since the start. Reading between the lines, he and maybe Schottenheimer gave up on Carroll.

[Patler]

My Prediction: As soon as Will Blackmon is ready to play, everyone will forget about Carroll very soon. That may start this weekend.

[cheese_man]

i think ted wants to get rid of all of Ms players and only keep his, for example walker,now carroll, and he probably not signing nick b