Dr.Z

[Cheesehead Craig]

WR go across the middle, they get hit, fact of life in the NFL. This is not just a Favre thing. There have been plenty of WR all over the NFL that got creamed going over the middle.

[MJZiggy]

Doesn't that have more to do with the play called? I don't think Favre's saying "hey Donald, why don't you run across the middle there so I can get you killed." I think it has to do with where DD lines up and what the route is. If he gets doubled and clobbered, that's due to the fact that he got open so he got the ball.

[packinpatland]

Doesn't that have more to do with the play called? I don't think Favre's saying "hey Donald, why don't you run across the middle there so I can get you killed." I think it has to do with where DD lines up and what the route is. If he gets doubled and clobbered, that's due to the fact that he got open so he got the ball.

Sometimes when it is as transparent as you've just stated, people look to see more into it. Given the fact that the plays are called from the sideline, the same plays that are practiced all week long in practice, it does seem abit illogical to blame the QB when WR gets decked. But then again, logic seems to be at a premium around here.

[pbmax]

One more thing, I can accept critics of the Packers/Favre. But you have to admit, Z has NEVER written anything positive about either the Packers or especially Favre. So when he writes something like he just did, it comes off as just another biased rant.

If you haven't seen Z priase the Packers (or Favre), then you haven't been reading him long enough.

[pbmax]

Doesn't that have more to do with the play called? I don't think Favre's saying "hey Donald, why don't you run across the middle there so I can get you killed." I think it has to do with where DD lines up and what the route is. If he gets doubled and clobbered, that's due to the fact that he got open so he got the ball.

Think about Favre's accuracy and timing. He has often thrown high, late and in front of receivers in the middle. All are hallmarks of his lesser throws.

And he has had several receivers willing to go headlong to catch these passes. Brooks, Freeman, Chmura, Sharpe, Driver.

He has also had a lack of success with these routes with receivers who had no intention of sticking their head in there: Rison, Schroeder, Glenn and Ferguson.

Its not on him alone. Coaches have to call the routes. But Holmgren did and Brooks and Free used to get tatooed often. Its part of what made them such good receivers for the Pack and Favre. You have to go deep into the stats to find number of times thrown to versus number of catches made.

Its was a fair criticism before, its fair now.

[packinpatland]

One more thing, I can accept critics of the Packers/Favre. But you have to admit, Z has NEVER written anything positive about either the Packers or especially Favre. So when he writes something like he just did, it comes off as just another biased rant.

If you haven't seen Z priase the Packers (or Favre), then you haven't been reading him long enough.

Altho I'm not from Missouri, show me.

[Noodle]

If you're seriously asking "show me," then either you haven't been watching the Pack for the last 15 years, or you don't see any other quarterbacks.

I (and PBMax as well, I think) am not saying Favre intentionally gets guys whacked. I'm sure that's the last thing in the world that he wants to happen. But his willingness to throw to guys in tight traffic, and his propensity for being a little off target and a little high are a lethal combination over the middle.

Look, I'm no expert, but I know what I've seen over the years, and I know I haven't seen the same consistent hammering happen to guys who Montana or Young (both WCO QBs who threw slants) were throwing to.

It's been a constant complaint that Favre has never had great receivers. I think that he's had some very courageous guys who really sold out for him.

[pbmax]

One more thing, I can accept critics of the Packers/Favre. But you have to admit, Z has NEVER written anything positive about either the Packers or especially Favre. So when he writes something like he just did, it comes off as just another biased rant.

If you haven't seen Z priase the Packers (or Favre), then you haven't been reading him long enough.

Altho I'm not from Missouri, show me.

I appreciate the request, but I just spent 45 minutes digging up old McGinn articles to send to PFT to refute the notion that it was Sherman's staff that were as reesponsible for his draft blunders as Sherman was. So I am going to pass on this project.

But for instance, Dr. Z always had good things to say about the line, especially the guards during Sherman's tenure. He was especially high on Rivera, but thought Wahle had passed him toward the end of their stay. they were regularly on his short list of candidates for All Pro. He wasn't quite enamored of the tackles but thought Clifton was one of the five best pass pro tackles playing.

He took Clifton's side on the Sapp hit, asking what is the purpose of unnecessary roughness penalty.

And he was quite appreciative of Favre and Holmgren's coaching during the Super Bowl run.

He has been hammering Favre during this decade because he believes (originally he had a point) that Favre was being given a free pass on bad throws by the media. But this is a later development in the 16 year career.

[oregonpackfan]

Dr. Z's credibility as an NFL evaluator and prognosticar should be taken with a grain of salt.

Of the 32 games he wrote about and predicted his year, he has gotten exactly 16 correct. That is exactly 50%.(Check out this week's issue of SI to see the results)

Anyone off the street who knew absolutely nothing about football could also predict with 50% accuracy.

OPF