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[b bulldog]

Don't know or care! They were honest about his slow start so it wasn't as though they were totally in awe of him. Stinky was a great Olineman and he said his hand technique at years end was very good along with his footwork. I suppose you knoiw better than him also. I think you think your more knowledgeable than you really are.

[b bulldog]

Great prospect Nick, we won't know if any of these are great players till a season or two down the road. The best player could end up being Ngata.

[HarveyWallbangers]

oh god harv...Give it up. I was all about being open minded and I didn't like when bull was so sure of Mario but he was right and Mario is a GREAT player. He's twice as valuable of a prospect as Hawk.

What the hell are you talking about? I've stated I'd take Williams over Hawk, but I don't sit here and make the same prediction over and over (until people are beaten senseless with it) like something is fact. Actually, his takes are starting to sound like tank (just substitute Huff for Mario). Bottom line: nobody knows for sure if a guy will be great at the pro level, so acting like it's a sure thing is senseless.

[b bulldog]

Posting the obvious Harv although I've been on his back since late October. I get kudos for that Lighten up a tad, life is good even though Mario will be gone by 5!

[Bretsky]

Don't know or care! They were honest about his slow start so it wasn't as though they were totally in awe of him. Stinky was a great Olineman and he said his hand technique at years end was very good along with his footwork. I suppose you knoiw better than him also. I think you think your more knowledgeable than you really are.

Not starting a fight here; my preference is and always has been Hawk. But I haven't studied Mario's stats and have been too lazy to research this myself so I'm asking you, who should probably be the Mario expert since you've been on his train so long.

Did he consistently dominate on defense last year ? I've heard several references that he had a few good games against poor competition and disappeared against the good teams. It reminded me, to an extent, of how KGB sometimes dominates a poor OT and then goes some games invisibile against good competition.

Is this a fair analysis of Williams, or did he dominate on a consistent basis.

Does the team who drafts Williams get a near finished product, or a guy who is a ways away who might dominate some day in the future ?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Seriously, I'd like to hear some other takes from you.

We've all been right before. I said that I thought Cutler was being overhyped when people said right after the combine that he might be a top 5 pick. I said that I thought DeMeco Ryans was overhyped when people said he might be a top 15 pick. I know you have some knowledge, but I wouldn't be hurt at all if you didn't mention Tom Brady, A.J. Hawk, Brett Favre, or Mario Williams for a week.

[b bulldog]

He is by no means a finished project and like I said before, I think it will take Mario a year and a half for everything to click and for him to dominate. My belief is that Davis and Bush are the two that will contribute most as R's. He was cut blocked on a regular basis during the first half of the season and really did a lousey job dealing with them. He than supposedly was taught of the light went on , on how to use his long arms and his hands. He was than totally disruptive so that arguement does hiols some merit. As shown on ESPN, he now has at least four passrushing moves and his closing speed was terrifying for a 300pounder.

[b bulldog]

B, last night was fantastic, please take nothing personal if I got out of line. I do respect your opinion, why? I don't know but I do.

[Bretsky]

B, last night was fantastic, please take nothing personal if I got out of line. I do respect your opinion, why? I don't know but I do.

Yes, I had some fun last night too; nothing was personal at all. I respect yours as well, even though you are wrong most of the time

[Guiness]

They were showing clips from the Maryland game? That's the game when he was schooling the LT, and they used Vernon Davis to block him, right?

Did they show any highlights of that match up? I would guess they'd only show ones of Mario getting by him, since successful blocks don't make good TV. I'd love to see clips of every damn snap that those players went head-to-head. It's tell us a lot about both of them.

[b bulldog]

tHEY said that Davis is a bad blocker but should become a good blocker with his strength and footwork.

[ND72]

saying Mario was cut, is just stupid, no team on any planet, will cut a guy every down, and he wasn't cut on every down. it's just a cheap way out for him. i saw him vs. Florida State, and the honorable mention tackle just completely dominated him all game long. never once cut him, and that was early in the season. he had 11 sacks vs. teams that were below .500, and had 3 sacks vs. teams over .500. that tells me a lot. FSU ran right at Mario, and he couldn't stop the run. he had 2 tackles 0 sacks vs. FSU. that's just domination.

I like Mario, i think he has huge potential. but he's very raw, and has the same potential to be the largest bust, as he does the largest star. and i want nothing to do with that. i want a guy who will start day 1, and be a stud day 1, AJ HAWK.

[RashanGary]

We can all agree we don't know crap

[Patler]

Who was the other former pro besides Mark Schlereth? I was listening more than watching and never got to see him well.

I found the Favre comments interesting. Schlereth and the other guy speaking from their perspective as "former pros" essentially stated:

1. His indecision is hurting the psyche of the other players who look to him for leadership.

2. Favre has unquestionably earned the right to take his time.

3. As the unquestioned leader of the team, even though he has earned the right, it is wrong for him to take that much time.

They seemed to be in very clear agreement on those points, and very firm in their beliefs. I obviously don't remember their exact words, but I remember the statements as being very assertive, no "I thinks" "probablies", that sort of thing.

I also found it interesting that one thought Favre would and should retire, the other thought he would not and should not retire.

[GrnBay007]

Fact or Fiction?