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    Not very smart. It seems to me both Robinson and the Vikings were both taking the high road after his criminal actions this summer. Minnesota had written into his contract that he must pay back his roster bonus should he go back to getting hammered and drving. The new CBA prohibits going after his SIGNING bonus, but not a roster bonus. This was discussed at length this summer with there being no clear opinion on who might win that case. There was also discussion on weather Koren could claim the Vikings released him as a punitive measure. Teams can cut players for performance and for "Personal conduct which, in the reasonable judgment of the club, adversely affects or reflects on the club.". I think any rational human would say he violated that clause. So why would he pull this stunt, the day after he avoids immediate jail time? Either he is classless or his agent is classless or both. They didn't file immediately because he looked like an idiot after the incident. I got news for his agent, he still does.
    I don't know if he'll win this battle, I doubt it but this guy never ceases to amaze me.






    Released receiver wants his salary
    Robinson, NFLPA file grievance
    BY SEAN JENSEN
    Pioneer Press
    Former Vikings receiver Koren Robinson has filed a grievance against the team seeking a significant portion of the three-year, $12.7 million contract he signed in March.

    Attorney David Cornwell of DNK Cornwell said he and the NFL Players Association filed the non-injury grievance last week and are awaiting a response from the NFL.

    Under terms of the collective bargaining agreement, the NFL has seven days from the date the grievance was filed to respond.

    An NFL spokesman declined comment, but an NFLPA spokesman confirmed the grievance was filed Sept. 27. If the rules stipulate seven business days, the NFL's response should come today.

    "There are a collection of reasons," Cornwell said when asked why Robinson filed the grievance. "But the thrust of it was, his release was a punitive act, undertaken in violation of the collective bargaining agreement. The team punished him by waiving him for his arrest, and Koren's conduct is subject to discipline, if appropriate, under the NFL's personal conduct penalty.

    "So the Vikings invaded the exclusive jurisdiction of the commissioner."

    A Vikings spokesman declined comment.

    In early March, Robinson signed a unique three-year, $12.7 million contract. Robinson received an immediate $1 million roster bonus, as well as a $100,000 workout bonus. Then, in addition to his $600,000 base salary, Robinson could earn an additional $81,250 for every game he was on the roster, even if he was injured.

    The Vikings structured Robinson's deal to protect themselves given his previous track record with substance abuse-related incidents and suspensions.

    Robinson was arrested Aug. 15 after a high-speed car chase that ended near the Minnesota State University Mankato campus, where the team holds training camp, and he was charged the next day with a felony count of fleeing a police officer, two misdemeanor charges of fourth-degree driving while impaired, and misdemeanor charges of reckless driving, careless driving and driving after his North Carolina license was suspended.

    The Vikings released him 11 days later.

    Cornwell said the Vikings cited two reasons in the notice of termination: "In the judgment of the club, your skill or performance has been unsatisfactory as compared with that of other players competing for positions on the club's roster." And, "You have engaged in personal conduct which, in the reasonable judgment of the club, adversely affects or reflects on the club."

    "We believe it's a difficult decision to justify even on skill and conduct, based on comments the club made on Koren's significance to the team," Cornwell said. "Our view is, they simply were punishing him."

    Cornwell would not comment on how much of the remaining $11.6 million Robinson is seeking.

    But when asked if Robinson was seeking a significant portion, Cornwell said, "Yes."

    He declined further comment.

    Cornwell said if they cannot meet and resolve the matter with the NFL, then an arbitrator will make a decision. Given the timing of the grievance, the matter might not be resolved until the spring.

  • #2
    Given all the craziness in Robinson's world, I don't know if I'd pin the drive to get salary back on him. He's got a lot of people to pay--his attorney and his agent are/were probably expecting good bank from his Vikes payday. I'm not defending Robinson, but I'm skeptical that this is his idea. His attorney and agent could be behind this to collect their losses from his Vikes contract.

    tyler
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    • #3
      Notice that he didn't comment on the situation. His attorney did. Also, with him scheduled for jail time and possibly more problems in MN, they're probably worried about getting nothing out of Robinson.

      tyler
      Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
      A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
      The mind is its own place, and in it self
      Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

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      • #4
        The grievance was dated the 27th, so that means it was done last week. I wonder if it was timed in case he got immediate jail and couldn't play out this season...
        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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        • #5
          Whether it was the decision of his attorney or agent, Robinson still has the final say in the matter.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GBRulz
            Whether it was the decision of his attorney or agent, Robinson still has the final say in the matter.
            How do you know that? Have you seen his contract? If he signed a contract where he owes his attorney and agent a hefty percentage on his multi-million dollar contract, he may not have much of a choice. Either way, he owes them money. That debt doesn't go away. They could go after it in court, or they could go after it from the Vikings. If you were Robinson, which one would you prefer? Legal or former team? Either way, its ugly.

            Try having a laywer that you can't pay because of new financial circumstances. It's worse than being broke.

            tyler
            Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
            A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
            The mind is its own place, and in it self
            Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

            "Paradise Lost"-John Milton

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
              Originally posted by GBRulz
              Whether it was the decision of his attorney or agent, Robinson still has the final say in the matter.
              How do you know that? Have you seen his contract? If he signed a contract where he owes his attorney and agent a hefty percentage on his multi-million dollar contract, he may not have much of a choice. Either way, he owes them money. That debt doesn't go away. They could go after it in court, or they could go after it from the Vikings. If you were Robinson, which one would you prefer? Legal or former team? Either way, its ugly.

              Try having a laywer that you can't pay because of new financial circumstances. It's worse than being broke.

              tyler
              I didn't think of the part of him owing his agent for his portion of the contract. I was looking at it from basically just attorney fees, which I'm sure the guy has the money for. It's not like it's his first year in the league. I can see what you're saying now.

              But, we also don't know what kind of agreement KRob has, as far as the agent only getting the money if he played out the contract or what. So, you don't know that part of it, either. There are alot of things we don't know about it and it's just alot of speculation.

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              • #8
                korens lawyers probably feel it's worth the shot to recoup some cash. let a judge read his contract and make a decision. it's the american way. i won't rip robinson for this one although i don't have an agenda. the vikes still aren't over gilbert and now they just lost a #1 reciever to a division foe.boo hoo. get over it and let the man get on with his life.
                Think I'll roll another number for the road.
                I HATE everything about the Minnesota Vikings

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Green Bud Packer
                  korens lawyers probably feel it's worth the shot to recoup some cash. let a judge read his contract and make a decision. it's the american way. i won't rip robinson for this one although i don't have an agenda. the vikes still aren't over gilbert and now they just lost a #1 reciever to a division foe.boo hoo. get over it and let the man get on with his life.

                  No, what he's done is open himself up their recovering his roster bonus and then it'll be boo hoo hoo from him. Stupid move or at least a gamble.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GBRulz
                    Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
                    Originally posted by GBRulz
                    Whether it was the decision of his attorney or agent, Robinson still has the final say in the matter.
                    How do you know that? Have you seen his contract? If he signed a contract where he owes his attorney and agent a hefty percentage on his multi-million dollar contract, he may not have much of a choice. Either way, he owes them money. That debt doesn't go away. They could go after it in court, or they could go after it from the Vikings. If you were Robinson, which one would you prefer? Legal or former team? Either way, its ugly.

                    Try having a laywer that you can't pay because of new financial circumstances. It's worse than being broke.

                    tyler
                    I didn't think of the part of him owing his agent for his portion of the contract. I was looking at it from basically just attorney fees, which I'm sure the guy has the money for. It's not like it's his first year in the league. I can see what you're saying now.

                    But, we also don't know what kind of agreement KRob has, as far as the agent only getting the money if he played out the contract or what. So, you don't know that part of it, either. There are alot of things we don't know about it and it's just alot of speculation.
                    You're right; I don't know for sure. It just seems fishy to me. Here's a guy that's definitely been beaten up by the law (with good reason). He's a sinking ship. He's serving jail time after the season. Possibly could be serving jail time from his MN problems. But he also signed a $12mil contract last season and attorneys and agents get paid from that contract.

                    If his attorney and agent didn't make arrangements with K-Rob at the front part of the contract settlement, then they're the dumbest in the league. They have to protect themselves from player injury and player stupidity (as in KRob's case). They're businesses too. I'm pretty sure agents work on a percentage of total contract, so his agent is now out quite a bit of cash... His attys are probably too as they were most likely committed a retainer by KRob.

                    You're right in that it's ultimately K-Rob's decision, but it may be a silent decision, where no option is a good one from where he's sitting.

                    tyler
                    Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
                    A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
                    The mind is its own place, and in it self
                    Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

                    "Paradise Lost"-John Milton

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                    • #11
                      Re: Robinson fires shot across the bow

                      Originally posted by Rastak
                      Either he is classless or his agent is classless or both. They didn't file immediately because he looked like an idiot after the incident.
                      Rastak, I don't see how "classless" comes into play with a legal maneuver. It's just lawyer crap, trying to get more money, the American way as someone else said. Maybe I didn't read closely enough, but I didn't see any betrayal of trust.

                      And if in the end, salary cap money is taken away from the Vikings, I say the greater good has been served.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe Rastak feels Jilted by Krob and now has an axe too grind with him..??..??

                        Does it burn you that he is not a Viking anymore ?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Robinson fires shot across the bow

                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          Originally posted by Rastak
                          Either he is classless or his agent is classless or both. They didn't file immediately because he looked like an idiot after the incident.
                          Rastak, I don't see how "classless" comes into play with a legal maneuver. It's just lawyer crap, trying to get more money, the American way as someone else said. Maybe I didn't read closely enough, but I didn't see any betrayal of trust.

                          And if in the end, salary cap money is taken away from the Vikings, I say the greater good has been served.
                          Well I agree to a certain point. He screwed over a team that paid him a million bucks and let his teammates down. The Vikings had written into his contract they could recover that money and to this point hadn't. It seems to me it was an even trade of sorts. As I said, both took the high road. Now they want to be paid after pulling what they did and even though the dude is collecting an NFL salary now, amazing as it is. I don't call that classy by any means. Is it classless? It's in the eye of the beholder I guess.

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                          • #14
                            I don't get what your beef is Rastak. He believes he is owed some money and is going after it the right way. He is not commenting on it, nor has he bashed the Vikings.

                            Oh, could you lend me a 100 bucks, I know you won't go after me when I don't pay it back!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gbpackfan
                              I don't get what your beef is Rastak. He believes he is owed some money and is going after it the right way. He is not commenting on it, nor has he bashed the Vikings.

                              Oh, could you lend me a 100 bucks, I know you won't go after me when I don't pay it back!

                              Well, the Vikings are also owed money based on his contract so I'm guessing they will do the same. I'm surprised both sides didn't let sleeping dogs lie. Actually the Vikings loaned him a million and seemed content to let him keep it, I wouldn't do that now if I were them.

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