Al Harris

[gbgary]

i'm fine with harris. he played a good game today. on the touchdown he created the separation, from the receiver, himself when he pushed him at the line. that should be a no-no on a slant.

[packers11]

people are saying if he picked that he would of been gone for a TD.. I would beg to differ, Holt was right on his back and i'm sure Bulger would of cut off the angle...

Thoughts??

[Patler]

people are saying if he picked that he would of been gone for a TD.. I would beg to differ, Holt was right on his back and i'm sure Bulger would of cut off the angle...

Thoughts??

Bulger said it would have been 100 yards for a TD, and that he (Bulger) had no way of getting to Harris.

[packers11]

people are saying if he picked that he would of been gone for a TD.. I would beg to differ, Holt was right on his back and i'm sure Bulger would of cut off the angle...

Thoughts??

Bulger said it would have been 100 yards for a TD, and that he (Bulger) had no way of getting to Harris.

yea yea... I read that.... But if you replay the play, Holt is a foot behind him, and last time I checked Al harris isnt the fastest guy on the field.. His hair alone slows him down 5 mph

[FavreChild]

Sure, it would have been great if we could have capitalized on an opportunity with that would-be INT.

But it's not even close to being the reason we lost. We could have, and should have, won rather handily without that INT. So to focus on Harris seems to be a red herring, in my opinion.

[packers11]

Sure, it would have been great if we could have capitalized on an opportunity with that would-be INT.

But it's not even close to being the reason we lost. We could have, and should have, won rather handily without that INT. So to focus on Harris seems to be a red herring, in my opinion.

oh no, I know thats not the REASON we lost... It was many other reasons..... Just seeing what the fans thought, could Al harris burn past Holt... For sure, I thought it was caught, and he woulda been caught 10 yards later...

[FavreChild]

Yeah, I know that's not what you were saying. But others are going there, or at least are tempted to go there...

[Patler]

Yeah, I know that's not what you were saying. But others are going there, or at least are tempted to go there...

I do feel it is now clear that Al Harris is in rapid decline. This summer I expressed concern, because after being a stellar performer for the first 12 games or so last year, he looked very ordinary at the end of the season, was beaten with some regularity and was getting penalties. That has gotten worse this year.

In five games Harris as had 7 flags thrown against him, with 5 accepted and 2 declined. The breakdown
1 pass interference
1 face mask
2 illegal contact
3 holding.

He can still cover well at times, as shown today, but the end for him is nearing I'm afraid. He went something like 12 games last year without giving up a TD, but then gave up 2 at the end of the year, and I believe is responsible for coverage on at least 3 TDs already this year.

This is NOT a knock against Harris, just recognition that all athletes get old and decline. The trend in the last 8 games for Harris is not good.

[packers11]

Yeah, I know that's not what you were saying. But others are going there, or at least are tempted to go there...

I do feel it is now clear that Al Harris is in rapid decline. This summer I expressed concern, because after being a stellar performer for the first 12 games or so last year, he looked very ordinary at the end of the season, was beaten with some regularity and was getting penalties. That has gotten worse this year.

In five games Harris as had 7 flags thrown against him, with 5 accepted and 2 declined. The breakdown
1 pass interference
1 face mask
2 illegal contact
3 holding.

He can still cover well at times, as shown today, but the end for him is nearing I'm afraid. He went something like 12 games last year without giving up a TD, but then gave up 2 at the end of the year, and I believe is responsible for coverage on at least 3 TDs already this year.

This is NOT a knock against Harris, just recognition that all athletes get old and decline. The trend in the last 8 games for Harris is not good.

... Im starting to see it too, its sad because he was my favorite defender on the team.... Someone you could brag about being shutdown.... Hopfully this is just a couple of fluke games, because everyone up in NE knows him as the GOOD cb with crazy dreads

[Jimx29]

Harris for Moss *nodsnods*

[packers11]

Harris for Moss *nodsnods*

HAHA, maybe next season, I could NEVER see it happening this season with the lack of talent we have at CB.... After Harris / Woodson, you mine as well throw favre in the mix to start at cb....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sure, it would have been great if we could have capitalized on an opportunity with that would-be INT.

But it's not even close to being the reason we lost. We could have, and should have, won rather handily without that INT. So to focus on Harris seems to be a red herring, in my opinion.

Sure. Blame McCarthy or Thompson. Don't ever blame the players.

[FavreChild]

You must be taking spin lessons from TT, Harvey.

Never said players weren't to blame for the loss. I did say that Al Harris not making an INT was not the reason for the loss. Technically he still did his job on that play; it was not a completion. If y'all want to discuss Harris and his abilities separate from blaming the loss on him, that's fine. If you want to say that ONE OF the reasons we loss was the secondary allowing too many passing yards, or poor coverage by the secondary, or whatever you want to call it, that's fine, too.

But scapegoating one player is BS, and it's too bad that some people are tempted to do that. But then again, I wonder where people learn that practice?

[Joemailman]

You must be taking spin lessons from TT, Harvey.

Never said players weren't to blame for the loss. I did say that Al Harris not making an INT was not the reason for the loss. Technically he still did his job on that play; it was not a completion. If y'all want to discuss Harris and his abilities separate from blaming the loss on him, that's fine. If you want to say that ONE OF the reasons we loss was the secondary allowing too many passing yards, or poor coverage by the secondary, or whatever you want to call it, that's fine, too.

But scapegoating one player is BS, and it's too bad that some people are tempted to do that. But then again, I wonder where people learn that practice?

If you think Al Harris feels he did his job on the play in question, just look at his reaction after the play. It was the same reaction a receiver would have after dropping an easy would-be TD pass. Many games are decided by turnovers, and when a defense is presented with an opportunity, they need to take advantage. A.J. Hawk talked about this after the game in realtion to the INT that he dropped. The inability of the defense to come up with INT's was a huge factor in the loss today.

[Patler]

The inability of the defense to come up with INT's was a huge factor in the loss today.

Why, just because the interceptions could have resulted in about a 16 point swing?