One HUGE postive today

[VegasPackFan]

Re: One HUGE postive today

I never heard this even one time during the game:

"Pass interference. Number 28 on the defense."

Too bad we still heard pass interference being called on other members of the secondary....not to mention the other numerous mistakes by that unit.

Sorry, but the addition by subtraction theory does not apply to this secondary. We are no better off without Carroll, and I still resent his scapegoating.

Under the irrational precedent set by TT, I fully expect that today's scapegoat will be released tomorrow. Maybe Colledge?

There were, however, many positives to be found today - none of which I attribute to the coaching, though.

It is not irrational to cut a guy that despite all the efforts of the coaching staff over 2 years cannot and will not change. He was uncoachable and unteachable, and he was a liability to the entire team because of that.

It WOULD be irrational however, to cut a rookie with potential just because he still needs to improve. If over time, he cannot improve (a la Carroll) then yes, cut him.

The only precedent TT set was that they arent hanging on to dead weight anyomore just because someone was a high draft pick. If you suck and you keep making the same damn mistakes over and over again for multiple seasons, then bye bye!

[FavreChild]

You can feel the way you do about Carroll, Vegas - but it was still a total PR move by TT to appease the fans. (I use "appease" quite deliberately to refer to the tactics of a megalomaniac dictator like TT.)

Obviously we do not have the same opinion of TT, which is fine. But leaders aren't supposed to be emotional (i.e., irrational). Benching Carroll would have been fine. Replacing Carroll with someone else - same thing. It was a chicken-sh*t move; he could have cut Carroll before the season if he was really that incompetent.

The irony, of course, is no admittance of culpability on the part of TT or the coaching staff, while Carroll is punished for his refreshing honesty. Again, the secondary performed no better w/out Carroll, and I also would encourage y'all to take a refresher of today's McGinn article for a less biased view of Carroll's stats.

[retailguy]

and I also would encourage y'all to take a refresher of today's McGinn article for a less biased view of Carroll's stats.

Most of us poor folk can't read it... Can you?

[FavreChild]

Alas, only the print version.

[retailguy]

Alas, only the print version.

Can you type it?

[pbmax]

You can feel the way you do about Carroll, Vegas - but it was still a total PR move by TT to appease the fans. (I use "appease" quite deliberately to refer to the tactics of a megalomaniac dictator like TT.)

Obviously we do not have the same opinion of TT, which is fine. But leaders aren't supposed to be emotional (i.e., irrational). Benching Carroll would have been fine. Replacing Carroll with someone else - same thing. It was a chicken-sh*t move; he could have cut Carroll before the season if he was really that incompetent.

The irony, of course, is no admittance of culpability on the part of TT or the coaching staff, while Carroll is punished for his refreshing honesty. Again, the secondary performed no better w/out Carroll, and I also would encourage y'all to take a refresher of today's McGinn article for a less biased view of Carroll's stats.

I think if Carroll was viewed as having potential by other teams, wouldn't he have been picked up already?

[FavreChild]

OK, but if that's your claim - that Carroll really *was* that bad - then why did TT fail to recognize such a significant flaw in the secondary and correct it BEFORE the season?

It's not that Carroll was cut, it's HOW he was cut. It was done in such a way that it was obviously a cheap ploy for fan gratification.

[digitaldean]

OK, but if that's your claim - that Carroll really *was* that bad - then why did TT fail to recognize such a significant flaw in the secondary and correct it BEFORE the season?

It's not that Carroll was cut, it's HOW he was cut. It was done in such a way that it was obviously a cheap ploy for fan gratification.

I think it's a mistake on TT's part on the timing of cutting Carroll.

He should have been cut at the end of the preseason. Horton should've been kept or a different veteran should have been signed.

I don't really think that TT is that terribly worried about giving in to fan pressure.

[FavreChild]

No, but he did know that the fans - for the most part - would approve.

The timing was bad, you're right. It's really just that simple.

[The Leaper]

I don't take away much in positives from this loss.

The defense continues to be completely unable to make big plays happen...even when the ball is thrown right to them with no interference.

The offense continues to do just enough to make you think there is something to take away from the game...but in the end the offense was the one that really lost this game by screwing up at crucial points and turning the ball over.

We look like the Bengals from the 1990s out there. There is NOTHING positive about that.

[VegasPackFan]

Everybody is certainly entitled to their opinion.

I must say, once again, that I am so very happy that I will not be hearing "(Insert penalty here) number 28......" any more.

Come to think of it, I would like to start a petition to PERMANENTLY RETIRE THE 28 JERSEY. That way, I can enjoy the rest of my life and my offspring can also enjoy theirs as Packer fans, never having to hear that phrase broadcast over the ref's mic ever again.

[Partial]

can someone post the PI artticle by McGinn? Bretsky, Harvey, anybody with PI?!?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The secondary didn't look better without Carroll, FavreChild? What game were you watching? This is the best they've looked all year, by far.

I said a long time ago that Carroll didn't have the necessary ball skills to ever be more than an adequate nickelback, at best and with improvement. I won't lose any sleep over Carroll. Not after seeing him look like the same guy in game 35 that he looked like in game 1 (e.g. had good coverage at times, completely schooled on other plays, absolutely no ball skills, grabbing/holding receivers all the time). Did he improve? Well, slightly. How could he not? I suspect he goes the way of Joey Thomas, and you hear little about him (in a good way) for the rest of his career.

[Joemailman]

I did think the secondary looked better today. It is true they gave up 2 TD passes. However, on the 1st one, Harris had good coverage, but Torry Holt just made a great catch. On the 2nd one, the coverage initially was good, but there was no pass rush on Bulger and he eventually foung a receiver open in the back of the end zone. The mental lapses by the secondary seemed to be gone today. Whether that had anything t do with the release of Carroll is hard to say.

[FavreChild]

Hmm, not to mention the several dropped passes.

Methinks some of you have selective perception.