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    Is KGB overpaid?

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    2005 DE

    Player Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value
    Ellis, Shaun Jets $ 540,000 $ 7,000,000 $ 1,050,000 $ 8,590,000 $ 3,823,333
    Okeafor, Chike Cardinals $ 3,500,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 1,210 $ 8,001,210 $ 4,401,210
    Howard, Darren Saints $ 7,804,000 $ 0 $ 3,740 $ 7,807,740 $ 7,807,740
    Hayward, Reggie Jaguars $ 550,000 $ 0 $ 7,003,080 $ 7,553,080 $ 7,553,080
    Abraham, John Jets $ 6,666,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 6,666,000 $ 6,666,000
    Peppers, Julius Panthers $ 455,000 $ 5,710,000 $ 150,000 $ 6,315,000 $ 4,007,500
    Ogunleye, Adewale Bears $ 1,014,305 $ 0 $ 5,003,850 $ 6,018,155 $ 7,677,010
    Rice, Simeon Buccaneers $ 6,000,000 $ 0 $ 880 $ 6,000,880 $ 10,700,880
    Carter, Kevin Dolphins $ 1,000,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 500,000 $ 6,000,000 $ 2,400,000
    Burgess, Derrick Raiders $ 455,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 5,455,000 $ 1,455,000
    Strahan, Michael Giants $ 5,250,000 $ 0 $ 330 $ 5,250,330 $ 7,478,615
    Kerney, Patrick Falcons $ 4,450,000 $ 0 $ 250,000 $ 4,700,000 $ 5,914,285
    Seymour, Richard Patriots $ 2,870,000 $ 1,700,000 $ 1,320 $ 4,571,320 $ 5,265,320
    Pryce, Trevor Broncos $ 3,000,000 $ 0 $ 1,500,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 6,266,666
    Hicks, Eric Chiefs $ 1,000,000 $ 3,000,000 $ 400,000 $ 4,400,000 $ 2,500,000
    Taylor, Jason Dolphins $ 3,000,000 $ 0 $ 1,270,000 $ 4,270,000 $ 7,859,583
    Berry, Bertrand Cardinals $ 4,000,000 $ 0 $ 4,730 $ 4,004,730 $ 5,004,730
    Little, Leonard Rams $ 2,900,000 $ 0 $ 1,100,000 $ 4,000,000 $ 5,000,000
    Rucker, Mike Panthers $ 3,150,000 $ 0 $ 650,000 $ 3,800,000 $ 5,724,000
    Smith, Aaron Steelers $ 3,750,000 $ 0 $ 4,400 $ 3,754,400 $ 5,115,066
    Roye, Orpheus Browns $ 2,250,000 $ 0 $ 1,500,000 $ 3,750,000 $ 5,187,500
    Smith, Will Saints $ 305,000 $ 3,350,000 $ 0 $ 3,655,000 $ 1,727,500
    Wynn, Renaldo Redskins $ 665,000 $ 2,835,000 $ 4,840 $ 3,504,840 $ 2,198,173
    Green, Jarvis Patriots $ 455,000 $ 3,000,000 $ 4,620 $ 3,459,620 $ 1,059,620
    Udeze, Kenechi Vikings $ 305,250 $ 2,780,000 $ 0 $ 3,085,250 $ 1,708,875
    Kearse, Jevon Eagles $ 890,000 $ 0 $ 2,125,000 $ 3,015,000 $ 5,015,000
    Fisher, Bryce Seahawks $ 1,000,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 5,280 $ 3,005,280 $ 1,505,280
    Spires, Greg Buccaneers $ 665,000 $ 2,335,000 $ 3,960 $ 3,003,960 $ 1,135,960
    Schobel, Aaron Bills $ 1,000,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 1,320 $ 3,001,320 $ 2,567,986
    Ellis, Greg Cowboys $ 2,250,000 $ 0 $ 305,280 $ 2,555,280 $ 3,155,280
    Smith, Brady Falcons $ 2,500,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 2,504,840 $ 3,129,840
    Bowens, David Dolphins $ 600,000 $ 1,300,000 $ 400,000 $ 2,300,000 $ 1,900,000
    Hamilton, Bobby Raiders $ 665,000 $ 1,600,000 $ 1,320 $ 2,266,320 $ 986,320
    Hall, James Lions $ 2,250,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 2,256,160 $ 3,056,160
    Walker, Gary Texans $ 2,200,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 2,206,160 $ 4,039,493
    Johnstone, Lance Vikings $ 2,075,000 $ 0 $ 104,290 $ 2,179,290 $ 2,179,290
    Gbaja-Biamila, Kabe Packers $ 1,000,000 $ 0 $ 1,030,280 $ 2,030,280 $ 3,601,708
    Ekuban, Ebenezer Broncos $ 540,000 $ 1,460,000 $ 5,060 $ 2,005,060 $ 1,031,726
    Wistrom, Grant Seahawks $ 2,000,000 $ 0 $ 3,080 $ 2,003,080 $ 4,336,413
    Kalu, Ndukwe Eagles $ 1,950,000 $ 0 $ 2,310 $ 1,952,310 $ 2,192,310
    Smith, Justin Bengals $ 1,830,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 1,830,000 $ 3,350,000
    Brown, Courtney Broncos $ 540,000 $ 1,260,000 $ 5,830 $ 1,805,830 $ 797,830
    Douglas, Marques 49ers $ 750,000 $ 1,000,000 $ 1,100 $ 1,751,100 $ 1,084,433
    Kirschke, Travis Steelers $ 665,000 $ 835,000 $ 3,080 $ 1,503,080 $ 1,221,413
    Brock, Raheem Colts $ 1,430,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 1,435,280 $ 1,435,280
    Roth, Matt Dolphins $ 230,000 $ 985,000 $ 170,000 $ 1,385,000 $ 597,000
    Johnson, Travis Texans $ 230,000 $ 0 $ 1,060,000 $ 1,290,000 $ 1,290,000
    Engelberger, John Broncos $ 1,265,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 1,265,000 $ 1,265,000
    Spears, Marcus Cowboys $ 230,000 $ 0 $ 1,000,000 $ 1,230,000 $ 1,230,000
    James, Erasmus Vikings $ 230,000 $ 0 $ 1,000,000 $ 1,230,000 $ 1,230,000
    Kampman, Aaron Packers $ 700,000 $ 500,000 $ 5,280 $ 1,205,280 $ 1,205,280
    Smith, Robaire Texans $ 1,200,000 $ 0 $ 3,520 $ 1,203,520 $ 2,595,186
    Cody, Dan Ravens $ 230,000 $ 760,000 $ 150,000 $ 1,140,000 $ 570,000
    Odom, Antwan Titans $ 305,000 $ 802,500 $ 4,510 $ 1,112,010 $ 577,012
    Daniels, Phillip Redskins $ 665,000 $ 440,000 $ 4,950 $ 1,109,950 $ 1,379,950
    Spicer, Paul Jaguars $ 1,000,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 1,004,840 $ 1,254,840
    Coleman, Marco Broncos $ 1,000,000 $ 0 $ 1,760 $ 1,001,760 $ 1,001,760
    Wallace, Al Panthers $ 540,000 $ 435,000 $ 25,000 $ 1,000,000 $ 973,750
    LaBoy, Travis Titans $ 305,000 $ 660,000 $ 4,510 $ 969,510 $ 739,512
    Tuck, Justin Giants $ 230,000 $ 737,000 $ 0 $ 967,000 $ 414,250
    Clemons, Duane Bengals $ 955,882 $ 0 $ 0 $ 955,882 $ 1,222,548
    Ioane, Junior Texans $ 540,000 $ 300,000 $ 4,840 $ 844,840 $ 644,840
    Bryant, Tony Saints $ 540,000 $ 250,000 $ 25,000 $ 815,000 $ 690,000
    DeVries, Jared Lions $ 750,000 $ 0 $ 55,280 $ 805,280 $ 1,080,280
    Wiley, Marcellus Jaguars $ 665,000 $ 125,000 $ 4,840 $ 794,840 $ 794,840
    Jackson, Tyoka Rams $ 765,000 $ 0 $ 5,500 $ 770,500 $ 837,168
    Hall, Travis 49ers $ 765,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 765,000 $ 455,000
    Freeney, Dwight Colts $ 600,000 $ 0 $ 153,080 $ 753,080 $ 1,933,794
    Coleman, Kenyon Cowboys $ 715,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 719,840 $ 719,840
    McKinley, Alvin Browns $ 650,000 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 700,000 $ 750,000
    Rasmussen, Kemp Panthers $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 661,720 $ 661,720
    Kolodziej, Ross Cardinals $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 5,610 $ 661,610 $ 661,610
    Scott, DeQuincy Chargers $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 5,390 $ 661,390 $ 661,390
    Evans, Demetric Redskins $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 661,280 $ 661,280
    Keisel, Brett Steelers $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 660,840 $ 660,840
    Hall, Carlos Chiefs $ 656,000 $ 0 $ 3,630 $ 659,630 $ 659,630
    Grant, Charles Saints $ 591,250 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 641,250 $ 1,326,250
    Thomas, Bryan Jets $ 581,000 $ 0 $ 4,400 $ 585,400 $ 1,530,400
    Powell, Carl Bengals $ 540,000 $ 25,000 $ 5,390 $ 570,390 $ 485,390
    Thomas, Juqua Eagles $ 540,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 540,000 $ 455,000
    Canty, Chris Cowboys $ 230,000 $ 310,000 $ 0 $ 540,000 $ 292,000
    Davis, Chauncey Falcons $ 230,000 $ 299,500 $ 0 $ 529,500 $ 329,833
    Haynes, Michael Bears $ 500,000 $ 0 $ 4,290 $ 504,290 $ 2,025,178
    Warren, Ty Patriots $ 495,000 $ 0 $ 4,620 $ 499,620 $ 2,032,953
    Edwards, Kalimba Lions $ 490,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 494,840 $ 919,840
    Vanden Bosch, Kyle Titans $ 455,000 $ 25,000 $ 4,290 $ 484,290 $ 484,290
    Tafoya, Joe Seahawks $ 455,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 460,720 $ 460,720
    Weaver, Tony Ravens $ 455,000 $ 0 $ 5,170 $ 460,170 $ 775,170
    Brown, Alex Bears $ 455,000 $ 0 $ 4,290 $ 459,290 $ 1,373,385
    Denney, Ryan Bills $ 455,000 $ 0 $ 3,410 $ 458,410 $ 695,910
    Bailey, Rodney Seahawks $ 428,235 $ 0 $ 0 $ 428,235 $ 428,235
    Suggs, Terrell Ravens $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 25,330 $ 405,330 $ 2,111,580
    Cole, Trent Eagles $ 230,000 $ 173,000 $ 0 $ 403,000 $ 273,250
    Williams, Sam Raiders $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 386,160 $ 531,560
    Johnson, Jarret Ravens $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 386,160 $ 490,160
    Peterson, Kenny Packers $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 385,720 $ 550,720
    King, Kenny Cardinals $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 5,610 $ 385,610 $ 426,610
    Redding, Cory Lions $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 385,280 $ 566,448
    Mathis, Robert Colts $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 385,280 $ 427,530
    Cesaire, Jacques Chargers $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 385,280 $ 385,280
    White, DeWayne Buccaneers $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 4,950 $ 384,950 $ 621,800
    Kelsay, Chris Bills $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 384,840 $ 728,590
    Wilkerson, Jimmy Chiefs $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 4,510 $ 384,510 $ 407,010
    Umenyiora, Osi Giants $ 380,000 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 383,850 $ 675,100
    Olshansky, Igor Chargers $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 74,510 $ 379,510 $ 754,510
    Welsh, Jonathan Colts $ 230,000 $ 127,765 $ 0 $ 357,765 $ 272,588
    Montgomery, Mike Packers $ 230,000 $ 102,000 $ 0 $ 332,000 $ 255,500
    Moore, Eric Giants $ 230,000 $ 94,250 $ 0 $ 324,250 $ 253,562
    Hill, Marquise Patriots $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 311,160 $ 541,160
    Hargrove, Tony Rams $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 311,160 $ 458,493
    Thomas, Josh Colts $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 6,160 $ 311,160 $ 314,493
    Geathers, Robert Bengals $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 310,720 $ 411,053
    McCray, Bobby Jaguars $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 5,280 $ 310,280 $ 318,446
    Schobel, Bo Titans $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 5,060 $ 310,060 $ 423,060
    Scott, Darrion Vikings $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 309,840 $ 459,840
    Kelly, Tommy Raiders $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 309,840 $ 314,840
    Allen, Jared Chiefs $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,620 $ 309,620 $ 403,786
    Johnson, Spencer Vikings $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,620 $ 309,620 $ 314,620
    Eason, Nick Browns $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,620 $ 309,620 $ 309,620
    Johnson, Trevor Jets $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,400 $ 309,400 $ 318,950
    Idonije, Israel Bears $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 4,400 $ 309,400 $ 309,400
    Swancutt, Bill Lions $ 230,000 $ 79,000 $ 0 $ 309,000 $ 256,333
    Jenkins, Cullen Packers $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 308,850 $ 308,850
    Green, Brandon Rams $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 3,190 $ 308,190 $ 308,190
    Green, Roderick Ravens $ 305,000 $ 0 $ 2,420 $ 307,420 $ 345,753
    Haye, Jovan Panthers $ 230,000 $ 74,750 $ 0 $ 304,750 $ 254,916
    Long, Khari Chiefs $ 230,000 $ 65,200 $ 0 $ 295,200 $ 251,733
    Fanene, Jonathan Bengals $ 230,000 $ 35,275 $ 0 $ 265,275 $ 241,758
    Huckeba, Jeb Seahawks $ 135,000 $ 120,500 $ 0 $ 255,500 $ 175,166
    Awasom, Adrian Giants $ 230,000 $ 9,000 $ 0 $ 239,000 $ 233,000
    Robinson, Derreck Chargers $ 230,000 $ 7,500 $ 0 $ 237,500 $ 233,750
    Fraser, Simon Browns $ 230,000 $ 6,000 $ 0 $ 236,000 $ 236,000
    Clemons, Nic Redskins $ 230,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 235,720 $ 235,720
    Smith, Antonio Cardinals $ 229,394 $ 0 $ 0 $ 229,394 $ 233,235
    Ratliff, Jay Cowboys $ 179,706 $ 41,250 $ 0 $ 220,956 $ 193,456
    Truluck, R- Kal Cardinals $ 214,118 $ 0 $ 0 $ 214,118 $ 214,118
    Palepoi, Anton Cardinals $ 187,353 $ 0 $ 0 $ 187,353 $ 187,353
    Pace, Calvin Cardinals $ 167,206 $ 0 $ 3,850 $ 171,056 $ 1,483,556
    Williams, Melvin Redskins $ 165,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 170,720 $ 170,720
    Glymph, Junior Falcons $ 163,188 $ 0 $ 0 $ 163,188 $ 125,588
    Johnson, Shawn Titans $ 135,000 $ 10,000 $ 4,290 $ 149,290 $ 149,290




    It doesnt look like it from here. Who would you rather have that is not as highly paid as him? I know its the 2005 season but man its not like he is just killing it here.
    Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
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  • #2
    Forget this list!! Yes he is overpayed and overplayed!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MadtownPacker
      Forget this list!! Yes he is overpayed and overplayed!!
      So you see a better player for the money?
      Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tony Oday
        Originally posted by MadtownPacker
        Forget this list!! Yes he is overpayed and overplayed!!
        So you see a better player for the money?
        Dwight Freeney is cheaper ...

        For now...

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        • #5
          Hayward, Reggie
          Peppers, Julius
          Seymour, Richard
          Green, Jarvis
          Tuck, Justin
          Warren, Ty
          Suggs, Terrell
          Brown, Alex
          Weaver, Tony

          That's a list of the guys i'd rather have than KGB.
          "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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          • #6
            lol they did get a deal on him huh?
            Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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            • #7
              This is misleading. It doesn't paint a true picture of the contract KGB signed and how much he has been paid. It's like Javon saying he only made $500,000/year when he got a $5M signing bonus his rookie year. I believe the total compensation for KGB on his last contract was around $25M for 5 years.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                I'm going on the opposite logic of Walker. The club signed a deal with him for a certain amount of money. He shows up every day for work and busts his butt day in and day out. They signed the deal, they should pay it whether it's too much or not.
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  I take it this is a rhetorical question.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    I'm going on the opposite logic of Walker. The club signed a deal with him for a certain amount of money. He shows up every day for work and busts his butt day in and day out. They signed the deal, they should pay it whether it's too much or not.
                    Post of the Year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MJZiggy
                      I'm going on the opposite logic of Walker. The club signed a deal with him for a certain amount of money. He shows up every day for work and busts his butt day in and day out. They signed the deal, they should pay it whether it's too much or not.
                      And, or course, they are paying him.

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                      • #12
                        RG and I went round & round on this one.

                        Add Marcus Spears and Justin Smith to ND's list and give me anyone of 'em over KGB.

                        I don't care that Kabeer is a solid citizen and a good guy. I don't care that his contract now falls into line with other DE's.

                        He's getting paid to stop the run AND rush the passer with more than one move.

                        He can't do it anymore. (& the guy has played a LOT better lately)

                        We kept our end of the bargain, he can't play up to his end.

                        He gets cut the early part of next year.

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                        • #13
                          That list is cash paid out this year. It doesn't factor in his original signing bonus or guaranteed money. Or the cap hit for cutting him. All as important as his cash and cap number.

                          You are also comparing him out of position. He should be a third down pass rush specialist and backup DE. My guess is that he is at the top of the pay list for backup DE.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #14
                            yes he is.
                            Think I'll roll another number for the road.
                            I HATE everything about the Minnesota Vikings

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                            • #15
                              Yes and so is Woodsen.

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