Shaun Bodiford

[Bretsky]

Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?

[Joemailman]

With K-Rob and Fergy gone, TT may have signed Bodiford for his KR ability as much as his pass receiving. I don't think you'd want to see Charles Rogers or David Boston returning kicks.

[vince]

Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?

I'd have to say, PROBABLY, or we wouldn't have signed him. Eh?

Sorry, B, I missed the second half of your post. Yes, I think Francies showed some things to the staff, and they have a real good idea about what he can do - now AND in the future.

[Rastak]

Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?

I'd have to say, PROBABLY, or we wouldn't have signed him. Eh?

So every move Ted makes is 100% correct? The guy is equal to the pope as far as mistakes?

[red]

god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?

I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.

It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?

Well, I'm 100% sure I won't convince you of my position. I don't think it's a bad thing to get guys you think have potential and are young...but not 100% of the time...mix in a vet once in a while....maybe Ted is a genius and these guys will really produce....

i completely agree here. we need a couple of wr's. why not bring in some rook, and a vet? let them battle it out for a couple of weeks, and keep the better guy

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think the point is: it's hard to judge anybody they'd sign. Some of us thought Gardner or Boerigter were good signings for depth, but they looked awful this preseason. Some wanted an experienced RB signed last year. Thompson signed some nobody named Samkon Gado instead. He probably turned out better than any veteran we could have signed.

[Rastak]

I think the point is: it's hard to judge anybody they'd sign. Some of us thought Gardner or Boerigter were good signings for depth, but they looked awful this preseason. Some wanted an experienced RB signed last year. Thompson signed some nobody named Samkon Gado instead. He probably turned out better than any veteran we could have signed.

Harv, just so I'm clear, I don't think it's bad to grab guys you hope have some potential. But does every guy on the roster need to be a rookie?


Maybe this guy will be great, but McCarthy had talked about liking big recievers I thought. Maybe a Pinkston might make sense as a #4 guy.
Maybe not...I don't claim to have all the answers but TT sure likes kids.....

[MJZiggy]

god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?

I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.

It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?

Well, I'm 100% sure I won't convince you of my position. I don't think it's a bad thing to get guys you think have potential and are young...but not 100% of the time...mix in a vet once in a while....maybe Ted is a genius and these guys will really produce....

i completely agree here. we need a couple of wr's. why not bring in some rook, and a vet? let them battle it out for a couple of weeks, and keep the better guy

With what roster spot. Who are you gonna cut to let them fight it out?

[Lurker64]

I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."

[vince]

I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."

Well said, Lurk.

[Brando19]

Donald Driver-Greg Jennings-Calvin Johnson....mmm...sounds good!

[Rastak]

I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."

Lurker, what vet did he bring in mid season on the OL last year? I'm talking about replacing injured guys, not offseason moves. He picked up Koren Robinson but he's had a hard-on for him for a while. I could be wrong but he grabs kids all the time....hell, he may be 100% right. Seems wrong to me.....

[The Leaper]

There is a reason idiots like Charles Rogers and David Boston don't currently have a job.

Thompson can only fill so many holes. He lost his 2nd round pick at WR from last year. Now he's lost his 2nd round pick from this year. Ferguson is hurt. KRob is suspended.

Unless you want him to draft 10 WRs in the draft...this number of injuries will cause a significant loss of depth at a position.

We don't need a veteran to teach the kids. We have one. His name is Donald Driver. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have as an example either.

[FritzDontBlitz]

god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

ANYONE that you sign at this point, even a vet, is a cast off from another team. If what has been written about Bodiford holds true, he is a decent kick returner and is decent on special teams. That is what Ferguson was to the Packers, and that is what they have to replace. His receptions will be picked up by Martin and Francies.

I do see Red's point, does every guy he signs need to be a rookie? He has tons of them already, there must be somebody out there that can join the team and at least be a #4 guy and maybe teach the younger players something.

thank you

someone sees my point

i see your point as well. veteran leadership is an underestimated asset in today's nfl

[BobDobbs]

Rastak Said:
". He picked up Koren Robinson but he's had a hard-on for him for a while. I could be wrong but he grabs kids all the time....hell, he may be 100% right. Seems wrong to me....."

"I don't claim to have all the answers but TT sure likes kids....."

"So every move Ted makes is 100% correct? The guy is equal to the pope as far as mistakes?"

Are you accusing TT of being ah, um into kids?

No, but really. This kid may not see much field time, Martin and Lee are probably better receivers right now. But can he return kicks? Detroit already has a stellar return man so he wouldn't have gotten a real shot at it. If not for all to injuries and suspension I would love to see that 5th receiver spot used as constant competition for a return man. Of course, we'll need blocking at some point too.

I don't think that TT is completely against pickinh up a veteran, but he has job security for at least this year and next and a massively uncompetitive roster. So he is gutting it and rolling the dice that he can create a more talented, athletic team that can be coached into a force.

As for leadership, a guy who comes in midseason is a doubtful prospect to become a locker room leader. Especially someone with character issues. I mean was Koren Robinson going to LEAD them on a police chase? Is Charlie Rodgers going to lead them to his stash?

I dunno, the only two gripes I have are
One, that TT cut Chatman because he wanted to "go big'. Chatman was too small, but these two new guys are not all that big.
And two, What was with the big verbal show of support for Ferguson? I hope he was just being classy. It is not Fergie's fault that Wolf took Buckley over Vincent or him over Chambers. But, it does remind me of it.

The madness must end.

Here's to Martin and Francis beating out a healty Ferguson in camp next year.