THE OFFICIAL DRAFT THREAD

[Pack0514]

I wouldn't put it past them. They still have some holes at wide reciever, and lets face it Rod Smith isn't getting any younger and he is lucky to have one more solid year. The guy has been doing it now for more than a decade. Ashley Lelie hasn't gotten it done. He is a good deep threat but he can't add up all the pieces.

This draft is weak in terms of wide recievers and the Broncos have some picks to play with. They could easily package their second rounder and 3rd rounder for Walker. That might be a bit better than only one #1 pick. That would give the Packers 5 first day picks, and I like that number alot.

To me the least I would trade Walker for is the 22nd pick. I think TT would actually go with the trade that could bring more picks into Green Bay's little nest egg.

The main concern is that Walker might not be healthy and the Broncos have to then decide if they want to give him a contract extension.

I don't think TT should fuck around with Walker, I am sick of hearing his fucking Step Father run his mouth. For the last 15 years Green Bay has been unbelievably good to its players until McKenzie blew a gasket, Walker running his mouth in 2005 and again in 2006. Grady decided to bad talk this historic franchise, but yet he still hasn't gotten a contract. I know one thing, bringing in talent that has good character is a must. It is a damn shame that a player like Walker is such a dislikable human. For all that jumped on Favre last year, you should also be ashamed, Favre called him out for what he was, it had nothing to do with money, he called out Javon's character. Walker has proved Favre right.

Great Post! BTW, has any one seen this blog by Christl, I love it. http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insi...=3&entry=17269

I think I would have a coronary from excitement if the Pack ended up with two first round picks. If some team is dumb enough to give us a first for Walker, then go with it! We can't force Walker to sit on the bench and leave a first round pick on the table, especially in this loaded draft....

I'd be excited if we were even able to get a 2nd for him...

tyler

Agreed, with how deep this draft is at the top..... the more first day picks you can obtain, the better. IMO, Walker is bluffing about retiring but with such a young team, you cant have a cancer in the lockerroom. I also must say that I think he is an awesome talent

[Deputy Nutz]

Could this be, our first bumb here on the Rat Chat? I am so proud!

[Deputy Nutz]

nfldraftcountdown.com has just released their updated rankings. In the top 10 the biggest mover was Vince Young, who dropped to the #9 spot. Cutler has now moved ahead of him.

Ernie Sims has also moved up quite a bit. In the beginning of the draft season Sims was a considered a mid to late second rounder and has now moved up several draft boards. He is currently 12th on nfldraftcountdown's overall rankings, and ahead of Chad Greenway.

Greenway has dropped. Scouts are more worried about his workout numbers than his play on the field. For a guy that is 6-3 and 240 pounds, his natural strength has not carrried over to the weight room and scouts are concerned about his strength, and also his 4.7 forty. Whatever team that decideds to pick him up is going to get a great value, especially if he last until or after the 20th selection.

Scouts have also lost a bit of interest in tweener defensive back Jimmy Williams. At his pro day two weeks ago he did not impress many scouts, he looked stiff in cornerback drills, and his forty time was just ok, the fastest he was timed was 4.47 and others had him in the low to mid 4.5s. His forty time wasn't that big of deal because of his size, but again he lacked fluidity in his breaks.

Donte Whitner is an unbelievable prospect coming out of Ohio St, who might get forgotten in the shuffle of safeties and corners in the first round. He is a top 20 talent that might last until late in the first round and possibly early in the second round.

My biggest sleeper in the draft right now is Manny Lawson who is tweener at linebacker and defensive end, but the guy is a phyiscal freak. If a team like the Pats, Cleveland or Pittsburgh can get their hands on him as an outside linebacker in a their 3-4 defense he could rack up double digit sacks as a rookie.

Everyone has heard of division II's Ingle Martin, but the real sleeper could be Tavaris Jackson from Alabama St. He is 6-2 and 225 pounds and runs a 4.68 forty. He passes well on the run and is an effective scrambler, especially to find open recievers. He is a second day prospect, but it wouldn't suprise me if he was selected late in the 3rd round.

Is it possible that Kiwanuka or Hali last until the second round? Neither of the two outside pass rushers have proved themselves in the off season and have scouts wondering if the top two and three prospects at defensive end are true number 1 picks. Both need to add strength once on a NFL roster, and both need to add pass rushing moves to complete themselves as players. Both can be liablities against the run.

The safety position is unbelievably deep. Teams could find starters late in the third round and even early on day two. Ko Simpson and Daniel Bullocks are two players that teams will get tremendous value from in round two. Guys you can get in late in round two or round three that not only make the roster but will fight for a starting position right away are Pat Watkins from Florida St. and Anthony Smith from Syracuse. Two players to keep an eye on day two are Nate Salley from Ohio St and Scott Ware from USC. Both played for big time programs and both were leaders of their respected defenses.

This Sunday, April 2nd, the most awaited pro-day will take place. USC will be conducting their pro day which will highlight Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Lendale White, and Winston Justice. People already know what Bush and Leinart will bring to the table, but question marks surround White and his weight, and speed. Justice is a top teir tackle, but maturity concerns many of the pro scouts. Other players to keep an eye on during the pro day are late round guys lik Frosty Rucker, DE for USC, Taitusi Lutui at Guard, his counter part Fred Matua, TE Dominique Byrd, Darnell Bing at Safety, and punter Tom Malone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree with the JSO scout's take on Ernie Sims. It was pretty negative. I watched the scouting combine, and he looked great. A little undersized, but a great athlete. Then, they showed film of him. He was a horrible blitzer and did not stand up to blocks well at all. That doesn't mean he can't be a great player, but he has a lot of things that make you worry.

[Deputy Nutz]

One other thing, Star middle linebacker for the Virginia Volunteers is off the team. Ahmad Brooks who has battled inuries for the better part of his career, was arrested, and broke several athletic violations, and finally upset several team officials. Most likely Brooks will make himself eligible for this summer's suplemental draft.

[Charles Woodson]

The problem with trading down, is that San Francisco needs a linebacker after losing two of there starters, and they also need a premium pass catcher. If the Packer trade down past Oakland, don't expect Hawk to be there, dont expect Davis to be there.

I had heard rummors about minni. trying to trade up to SF. If that is the case, the probly want a qb. Just saying the radiers want that same player, we get the best end because look at it this way

5. Radiers:Young or Hawk
6. Minni. Young or cutler
7. The Pack: Davis!

[Sparkey]

GuruNutz,

Do you think Denver will trade for Walker one of their #1s?

I wouldn't put it past them. They still have some holes at wide reciever, and lets face it Rod Smith isn't getting any younger and he is lucky to have one more solid year. The guy has been doing it now for more than a decade. Ashley Lelie hasn't gotten it done. He is a good deep threat but he can't add up all the pieces.

This draft is weak in terms of wide recievers and the Broncos have some picks to play with. They could easily package their second rounder and 3rd rounder for Walker. That might be a bit better than only one #1 pick. That would give the Packers 5 first day picks, and I like that number alot.

To me the least I would trade Walker for is the 22nd pick. I think TT would actually go with the trade that could bring more picks into Green Bay's little nest egg.

The main concern is that Walker might not be healthy and the Broncos have to then decide if they want to give him a contract extension.

I don't think TT should fuck around with Walker, I am sick of hearing his fucking Step Father run his mouth. For the last 15 years Green Bay has been unbelievably good to its players until McKenzie blew a gasket, Walker running his mouth in 2005 and again in 2006. Grady decided to bad talk this historic franchise, but yet he still hasn't gotten a contract. I know one thing, bringing in talent that has good character is a must. It is a damn shame that a player like Walker is such a dislikable human. For all that jumped on Favre last year, you should also be ashamed, Favre called him out for what he was, it had nothing to do with money, he called out Javon's character. Walker has proved Favre right.

If I were TT, I would not hesitate to take a #1 for Walker. Then use the two number one picks on linebackers. What an improvement it would be for Green Bays lb squad for 2006 to consist of AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett & Demeco Ryans...........

[FavreChild]

FYI, the Bills forum is basically reporting that GB is shopping the #5 pick and would the Bills be interested?

Bills fans say they would, presuming Mario drops to #5...but if that happens, do you really think TT would make that deal?

[FavreChild]

Ha ha, I posted on the draft thread. Bet that won't happen again, unless it's the foamy draft variety...

[esoxx]

I think if that rumor's true, that the Packers are shopping the pick, it's b/c they've seen the handwritting on the wall... and that is Williams will be gone before they pick at #5. I think that's who they really want.

[Charles Woodson]

I think if that rumor's true, that the Packers are shopping the pick, it's b/c they've seen the handwritting on the wall... and that is Williams will be gone before they pick at #5. I think that's who they really want.

Ok, once williams is gone, then it all comes down to, who do they want. I mean will the person they want last down to 8, if its hawk then no, maybe huff, and no for davis

[esoxx]

I think if Williams goes off the board early, TT will entertain trade down offers. That is, if he gets any, takes two to tango. Although I like Hawk as well, I don't see him tied to him necessarily if he can get more picks. Part of the reason being it's such a deep LB draft. Just never know what TT's going to do on draft day, other than he won't trade up and is fond of accumulating extra picks.

[Charles Woodson]

I think if Williams goes off the board early, TT will entertain trade down offers. That is, if he gets any, takes two to tango. Although I like Hawk as well, I don't see him tied to him necessarily if he can get more picks. Part of the reason being it's such a deep LB draft. Just never know what TT's going to do on draft day, other than he won't trade up and is fond of accumulating extra picks.

Yea i wouldnt mind trading down with the bills and gettting there 1st 2nd and 5 or 6th. all though thats a big reach.
i would be happy with a draft like this

1.Michael Huff
2.Best lb., carpenter whoever
2. Guard

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Post this on another thread, but here's my mastery mockery of a draft for anyone who cares (2nd revision; the 1st revision had Pack trading the 1st, 3rd, and 5th rd picks to Chicago for Brain Urlacher).

Rd Pick
1 7th (obtained from Oakland, along with Randy Moss, for Javon Walker, the 5th overall pick and a 4th round pick and a 2007 conditional pick): Michael Huff, S, Texas

2 36th Cedric Griffin, CB, Texas

3 67th Taitusi Lutui, OG, USC

5 TBD Owens Daniels, TE, Wisconsin

5 165th Marcus Vick, QB/WR/KR/PR, Virginia Tech

7 253rd John Chick, LB, Utah State

[MJZiggy]

Marcus Vick is a headcase that will likely turn into a team cancer if he ever gets drafted.