Colts/Pats Game Thread

[MJZiggy]

Sorry to all the atheists out there but the world could use many more Tony Dungy's .

Absolutely. He's a great guy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.

Brady? Wasn't it 34? Sure helps to have a great defense (TD) and special teams (great field position all day). Kind of interesting, but the Pats didn't have a drive longer than 34 yards in their last 9 possessions. Three of those were scoring drives of 21 yards, 33 yards, and 34 yards.

[b bulldog]

ST 's was the biggest help, ala Desmond Howard, you remember him Harv, the 31 MVP!

[MJZiggy]

Only special teamer to ever win that honor...

[fan4life]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.

Oh, believe me, I have a clue. It's like I've been saying for a long, long time. Brady is a very, very good QB. But he's NOT the only star on that team. The Pats lost today the way they usually win: as a team. My point was just this: Brady wasn't the difference, one way or the other. And that's usually the case.

And yes, Manning was by far the better QB today.

[b bulldog]

fOR SOME REASON i WAS THINKING IT WAS 42-38, 4 points was the difference.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ST 's was the biggest help, ala Desmond Howard, you remember him Harv, the 31 MVP!

Exactly, New England has had great teams around Brady. Green Bay had a great team around Favre one year. Kind of proves the point of a lot of people. Why did you bring up Favre when we were talking about Brady?

[b bulldog]

I get a kick out of the many in here who dog Brady when he doesn't win it all. Makes you look quite funny imo. I never thought they would go as far as they did. The Pats will be better if the cheap owner decides to spend some money. They need a burner at the WR position, all they have is possession WR's at the moment.

[MJZiggy]

bulldog, sounds like you're talking about the Packers...

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not kicking Brady. I still think he's as good of a QB as there is in the league right now. I'm just calling it like it is. Brady is 12-2 in the playoffs. That's great. At one point, Favre was 9-4. Things can change in a hurry. Brady has now been poor in 2 of his last 4 playoff games and average in a 3rd game. For all we know, the Patriots dynasty could be over. Brady can't win by himself. Just like Favre couldn't. Bill B. could get bored and retire or move on (like Holmgren and Wolf). Things could change in a hurry. If he didn't win, it wouldn't take away from what he has done so far. He'll like always be good enough to win with. It's a matter of surrounding him with a great team. Brett hasn't been surrounded by a great team. He hasn't had a championship caliber team in nearly 10 years.

[Iron Mike]

I'm not kicking Brady. I still think he's as good of a QB as there is in the league right now. I'm just calling it like it is. Brady is 12-2 in the playoffs. That's great. At one point, Favre was 9-4. Things can change in a hurry. Brady has now been poor in 2 of his last 4 playoff games and average in a 3rd game. For all we know, the Patriots dynasty could be over. Brady can't win by himself. Just like Favre couldn't. Bill B. could get bored and retire or move on (like Holmgren and Wolf). Things could change in a hurry. If he didn't win, it wouldn't take away from what he has done so far. He'll like always be good enough to win with. It's a matter of surrounding him with a great team. Brett hasn't been surrounded by a great team. He hasn't had a championship caliber team in nearly 10 years.

Agreed. Let's consider this, also............if you put Brady (or Manning) on last year's Packer team, do you think the record would have been greater than 4-12??

[b bulldog]

It is a team game but the Philly 4th and 26 season and the season after the Bronco's SB were both SB teams. Holmgren thought that the 98 team was loaded, the Rice fumble and the Owens catch?? That was the year the Atlanta Falcons went to the SB.

[b bulldog]

nO, THEY DON'T THROW THE BAD THROWS AS OFTEN. I'm sure all the QB's in the NFL would love to throw to the weapons Manning has but that is a CRAZY road to go down. They more than likely would have been 6-10 or so but what does thaT GET YOU IN THE END.

[fan4life]

It is a team game but the Philly 4th and 26 season and the season after the Bronco's SB were both SB teams. Holmgren thought that the 98 team was loaded, the Rice fumble and the Owens catch?? That was the year the Atlanta Falcons went to the SB.

The team that lost in Philly (4th and 26) had serious problems on the defensive side of the ball and a QB who was mentally (death of his father) and physically (broken thumb) drained; had they beaten the Eagles, they probably wouldn't have gotten past Carolina. I agree with your assessment of the '98 team: they had a chance, but chance let them down.

[b bulldog]

What let them down was not winning enough games to have that game at home, just like tonight's game.