PFW : New (surprising) Mock Draft 4/21

[retailguy]

I really will be dissapointed if we take Da brick. hell I think any teams fans that takes him will be dissapointed. I really think tho that the packers cant afford the luxury of building depth at the postion, especially with the fact that the desperately need a linbacker. I thnk that If Hawk is there, he'll be taken by them. It might be different tho if Da brick was a guard. But still My vote is for hawk.

EVERYTHING starts with the OL on offense.

Bad OL = pathetic team.

I agree wholeheartedly with you Rastak. (Granted, I played center for 13 years of my life, so I'm biased)

My only thing is, at this level, often some of the OL taken in the 5th-7th rounds turn out just as good as the blue chippers. PERFECT example: In the 2000 NFL draft, the #3 pick was Chris Samuels, who has made it to a couple of Pro Bowls since then. 221 picks later in the 7th round, Green Bay picked some OT from Wisconsin named Mark Tauscher, who is one hell of a tackle. OL is probably the most coachable positions on the field.

I played tackle one year but was mostly a MLB...LONG AGO and before high school. Anyway, there are very good OL available in the later rounds but they usually need to be tutored as opposed to the very few elite OL's in the draft....ok, I admit even those guys end up needing coaching. Still, your best chance of getting someone who can play early is in the early rounds.

I was a DLineman. Big & Slow.... I needed more than coaching.... Everyone needs coaching. All these players have the skill. Those with the skill that are willing to receive good coaching become stars. Those that don't, join Ryan Leaf as a BUST.

[No Mo Moss]

On ESPN radio I heard Liny could fall out of the top 10!

How is that possible? There is no way that guy makes it out of the top 5.

At worst you get a Carson Palmer type player. At best an Elway type player. He'll go high.

[retailguy]

On ESPN radio I heard Liny could fall out of the top 10!

How is that possible? There is no way that guy makes it out of the top 5.

err... Remember Aaron Rodgers? It happens. It isn't likely, but it happens.

[b bulldog]

The Titans may take Young and if the Jets take a QB, they will take Cutler according to what I heard.

[retailguy]

The Titans may take Young and if the Jets take a QB, they will take Cutler according to what I heard.

If this happens, then Leinart could fall. Or, if the Saints take him at 2, that means that both Williams and Ferguson are available at 5.... So who REALLY wants one of them?

[b bulldog]

As ND72 would tell you I was on the Liny to the Saints bandwagon bigtime but I now think the Saints won't take a QB at two and now it will be between Fergy and Mario, with the edge going to Mario.

[ND72]

I'm an OL guy....and i would rather pass on Ferguson with our top pick, and take a true guard with our 2nd round pick.

and yeah...bulldog and i exchanged a lot dealing with the saints taking Leinart.

[retailguy]

As ND72 would tell you I was on the Liny to the Saints bandwagon bigtime but I now think the Saints won't take a QB at two and now it will be between Fergy and Mario, with the edge going to Mario.

Still not convinced of that, bulldog. I think the pick is traded, for someone who wants Lienart. If not, then he may fall, hard.

[CyclonePackFan]

I just hope that the Raiders jump up to get Vince Young. The Saints need a LB, and if the Jets make the move, I think that the Saints would be more willing to take A.J. Hawk at #4 than #2. They've got two tackles and two defensive ends. Either way, we still get one of Williams, Huff, or Hawk. I'll take that choice.

[retailguy]

I just hope that the Raiders jump up to get Vince Young. The Saints need a LB, and if the Jets make the move, I think that the Saints would be more willing to take A.J. Hawk at #4 than #2. They've got two tackles and two defensive ends. Either way, we still get one of Williams, Huff, or Hawk. I'll take that choice.

Me too. And promptly trade it for extra picks.

[Joemailman]

I just hope that the Raiders jump up to get Vince Young. The Saints need a LB, and if the Jets make the move, I think that the Saints would be more willing to take A.J. Hawk at #4 than #2. They've got two tackles and two defensive ends. Either way, we still get one of Williams, Huff, or Hawk. I'll take that choice.

Me too. And promptly trade it for extra picks.

Would you still trade for extra picks if Thompson gets the 2 2nd round picks from Denver for Walker?

[ND72]

I think all of the QB's could fall hard if not taken in the top 7. after oakland...Jay Cutler COULD become a 2nd round pick...I know it won't happen, but it really could.

[retailguy]

I just hope that the Raiders jump up to get Vince Young. The Saints need a LB, and if the Jets make the move, I think that the Saints would be more willing to take A.J. Hawk at #4 than #2. They've got two tackles and two defensive ends. Either way, we still get one of Williams, Huff, or Hawk. I'll take that choice.

Me too. And promptly trade it for extra picks.

Would you still trade for extra picks if Thompson gets the 2 2nd round picks from Denver for Walker?

Maybe not, however, that isn't likely to happen by pick #5. Might also depend on who traded up, and who traded down.

For example, if TT is thinking about D'brick, and decides to trade down, he can still get Justice. Not a dramatic downgrade there, in my opinion. Perhaps 4 second round picks could yield two decent guards, even by Bretsky's standards...

[Partial]

if Debrick is a Packer, I will kill a man.

[retailguy]

if Debrick is a Packer, I will kill a man.

Partial,

I really don't understand this? If he's the best guy, and you don't trade down, why not?

While Clifton is too slow to play guard, Tauscher is not. The real question becomes, can Debrick play right tackle? Scouts seem split on this opinion, and that's one of the reasons that Justice is appealing to me, if the Packers can trade down.

Ron Wolf proved over and over, that you take the BEST player, regardless of position and figure out where he fits later.

I just don't see why this would be a bad pick, UNLESS you are "need" drafting. If that is what you are advocating, that doesn't come without significant risk, as Mike Sherman discovered.