Debunking Mario Williams

[Deputy Nutz]

One more thing Nutz, why aren't you clamoring for Young when on paper,film and leadership, Young has everyone beat hands down. He went into the shoe and beat the eyes along with singlehandedly beating SC. He was the most dominant player in college football last season. I did say college ball and that is the reason why some players are thought to be an even better player/prospect at the next level because the pro game is vastly different than college. One thing that helps Hawk is that he is a SR, Mario is only 20 years old. I do thinkl Hawk will have the most impact as a rookie of the top 8 picks but I'm betting by the halfway point of their second season, Mario will be the Superstar.

You take my logic and bash me over the head with it. I have been critical of Young, but mostly in the posibility of him becoming a Packer. I think if I was an Oakland Raider fan I would be foaming at the mouth to get this guy. Next to Reggie Bush I think Young is the most gifted athlete in this draft. Unfortunately his wonderlic scores do put me off a little bit, and I would have tended to ignore them if say he played in the USC offense, or even Michigan's offense. The fact is, Texas realized they had a very athletically gifted kid at quarterback and adjusted their system for him to succeed. It was a brilliant move, but not one that was going to help Young adjust to the NFL.

[b bulldog]

I wouldn't take him at the one spot but one thing teams should keep in mind when they draft these hybrid QB's is that they need to develop an O that the QB can play in and be comfortable with rather than picking a running QB and saying it's the westcoast and you will have to adapt to it. Looks like the Falcons are going to try to work with Vick on this and not be so stubborn. It's best for both the player and the team in the long run.

[Deputy Nutz]

Exactly.

I thought that the Vikings let Culpepper run it perfect, that is until his knee literally blew up into a million pieces.

[swede]

I think the best thing to do would be to trade down and pick up an extra second rounder. If Leinart is sitting there at #5, somebody ought to be licking their chops to move up, and if TT can drop down only two or three spots and pick up an extra high second rounder, of if he drops further and gets a windfall of picks, it'd be a good move.

Too much is made of that first round pick. Way too much. It's understandable - the media doesn't really cover the players who will be drafted much past the second, maybe third round. So all the focus is on that first round bunch. But Driver was a seventh rounder, as was Tauscher, Rivera was a sixth, Favre was had for a mid-first (not even a top ten pick) and was originally drafted in the second, Clifton was a second, Kampman a fifth, and so on. If TT can stock up on picks it would be good for the franchise. It won't give fans a big name to drool over, but in two to three years it will pay off for this team.

Fritz you make excellent points.

I tease the venerable Ted Thompson for being a polar bear--God bless our dear Tank for his creativity--but I certainly do respect the cold and calculating way he plays every issue.

If I write the script we pick AJ HAwk at #5. But TT may indeed piss everybody off and do exactly as you suggest and continually trade down.

Some smart aleck many many threads ago suggested that TT wouldn't be happy until he had every 7th round pick in the draft.

I don't think it will be that bad.

[Joemailman]

I think the best thing to do would be to trade down and pick up an extra second rounder. If Leinart is sitting there at #5, somebody ought to be licking their chops to move up, and if TT can drop down only two or three spots and pick up an extra high second rounder, of if he drops further and gets a windfall of picks, it'd be a good move.

Too much is made of that first round pick. Way too much. It's understandable - the media doesn't really cover the players who will be drafted much past the second, maybe third round. So all the focus is on that first round bunch. But Driver was a seventh rounder, as was Tauscher, Rivera was a sixth, Favre was had for a mid-first (not even a top ten pick) and was originally drafted in the second, Clifton was a second, Kampman a fifth, and so on. If TT can stock up on picks it would be good for the franchise. It won't give fans a big name to drool over, but in two to three years it will pay off for this team.

Fritz you make excellent points.

I tease the venerable Ted Thompson for being a polar bear--God bless our dear Tank for his creativity--but I certainly do respect the cold and calculating way he plays every issue.

If I write the script we pick AJ HAwk at #5. But TT may indeed piss everybody off and do exactly as you suggest and continually trade down.

Some smart aleck many many threads ago suggested that TT wouldn't be happy until he had every 7th round pick in the draft.

I don't think it will be that bad.

Last year, TT had 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, and kept them all. It wasn't until the 3rd round that he started to trade down. I expect something similar this year, unless someone looking to draft Young or Leinart makes him a great offer. If he gets a 2nd round pick for Walker, that pick could become trade bait.

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The depth is really kick ass in the first three rounds though and by moving down in the second he could get 4 quality players instead of 3.

I suspect he'll move down a lil' bit in the second. I hope he makes a deal for Javon for a second also. And favre too while we're at it.