Barnett, Packers Talking

[RashanGary]

QB's havn't had a chance to get signed to new deals since the raise. They are still palying out what is now underpaid contracts. Over the next 3 - 4 years you are going to see a drastic change in salaries. Guys coming up with contracts will benifit much more than guys 2 or 3 years before.

FACT.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB's havn't had a chance to get signed to new deals since the raise. They are still palying out what is now underpaid contracts. Over the next 3 - 4 years you are going to see a drastic change in salaries. Guys coming up with contracts will benifit much more than guys 2 or 3 years before.

FACT.

Exactly. Brees got $8+ M/year last offseason. And that was before the salary cap went up another $7-8M/team.

[Fritz]

Hey, Barnett's worked out pretty well. He's better than most middle linebackers but he's not a game changer. Pay him and draft another linebacker. Keep talent coming in.

[red]

Minnesota wildly overpaid for Henderson, and Barnett isn't worthy of carrying Briggs' jock... using those two guys as a gauge for Barnett is a mistake.

anyone else get the feeling that if briggs was a packer and barnett was a bear that he would be saying the exact opposite?

"briggs couldn't carry barnetts jock"

[packerbacker1234]

Someone in this thread said Barnett had one "average" season and 2 lousy seasons. Blaming him for the run game is FOOLISH.

How many times in the last four years has barnett lead the team in tackles?

3. Including 2005 when we had one of the best run defenses in the league.

Look, I know barnet has haters, every player does, but come on packer fans. He is a hell of a player. Does he overshoot the hole occasionally? SUre he does.

Doese urlacher miss play and fall for Play Action sometimes, of course he does. But Like Urlacher, Barnet more often then not makes the play when it his is to be made.

He covers very well in the pass game (he is a converted saftey) and he rarely if ever has his tackle broken. Look at last year, with the club, how many key on armed tackles did barnet make? A lot. Most of them in key situations mind you.

We need to lock him up. Nick does not seem like a selfish player that will ask for allstar money without a probowl under his belt. However, he will want a decent contract that gets him a mil or 2 per year with maybe some extra locked up in incentives (such as woodson has now after his first season contract).

The real complainers are players Like Harris. Great CB, honored the contract last year, but will TT really give him the money he wants? I am sure he'll want a 10 million pay year like woodson.

Point in case, Barnet is solid and I think he is one of the top MLB in the NFC and definitly in the NFL. Not only has he lead the team for tackles a few times, he was in the top 5 a couple of times int he NFC for tackles. The fact he didn't go to the probowl those years is just because of name recognition.

Still the same issue today. No one outside of GB knows this guy because he has zero name recognition.

The one game last year barnet did not play we gave up 200 yards rushing. He comes back and we cut it in half.

LOCK HIM UP.

[prsnfoto]

A mil or two hes gonna want 7 million a year and I don't hate him he is an above average MLB he is not an elite player deserving of elite pay. As far as the cap going up 7 million so what that just keeps pace with the draft for the year plus should they give the whole 7 million to one guy?

[packerbacker1234]

He wont want 7 mil because he knows for a player who has never been in a PB that it's a unrealistic goal and no team is going to pay him that, unless it is all locked up in incentives.

If he wants a incentive laid contract like woodson has now, I am fine with that. That way he has to make plays to get payed.

[cpk1994]

Minnesota wildly overpaid for Henderson, and Barnett isn't worthy of carrying Briggs' jock... using those two guys as a gauge for Barnett is a mistake.

Minnesota wildly overpaid for everyone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

A mil or two hes gonna want 7 million a year and I don't hate him he is an above average MLB he is not an elite player deserving of elite pay. As far as the cap going up 7 million so what that just keeps pace with the draft for the year plus should they give the whole 7 million to one guy?

The rookie cap isn't going up near that much. There are around 20 teams with $20M in cap room. Around 10 with $30M in cap room. Salaries will go up again this year, and they'll go up quite a bit.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Over $12M for a franchise tag for a QB.

Most teams unfazed by high franchise numbers
By Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com

There were audible gasps in South Florida last week when it was revealed that the franchise-tag number for a quarterback in 2007 had skyrocketed to a mind-boggling $12.615 million.

Not only is that the highest charge ever for a franchise player at any position, but it is also a whopping increase of 43.5 percent from the 2006 season, and it represents nearly 12 percent of the individual team spending limit of $109 million for next season. It was, at a time, a sobering dose of reality.

But here's an even greater reality: The astronomical franchise charge at quarterback doesn't matter much. Nor, for the most part, do the spiraling increases for the franchises salaries at other positions, which in some cases exceed 30 percent bumps from 2006.

The franchise-value figures, which range from $2.078 million for a kicker or punter to the $12.615 number at quarterback, are undeniably monstrous for 2007. But they are, in most cases, also moot.

How come? Because there isn't a quarterback in the league who will be designated as a franchise player. Outside of Kansas City journeyman passer Damon Huard, there isn't a quarterback in the NFL who started at least eight games in 2006 and is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent in less than a month.

There are, in fact, only a handful of potential pending unrestricted free agents overall -- such as Indianapolis defensive right end Dwight Freeney, left cornerback Asante Samuel of New England, and perhaps Chicago weakside linebacker Lance Briggs -- who figure to merit any consideration for the franchise marker at other positions.

Clubs were permitted to start designating franchise and transition players Thursday and, not surprisingly, no club forwarded the pertinent paperwork for such a move. The deadline for declaring franchise and transition players is Feb. 22, and the league won't be particularly busy on that front.

"The number [of franchise players] definitely is going down," said NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw. "A few years ago, we had 11 or 12. Then last season, there were only three. I don't think there will be many [in 2007]."

Franchise Tag Numbers
Position 	2007 franchise charge 	Change from 2006
QB 	$12.615 million 	+43.5%
OL 	$9.556 million 	+36.8%
DE 	$8.664 million 	+3.7%
CB 	$7.790 million 	+32.2%
WR 	$7.613 million 	+23.3%
LB 	$7.206 million 	+0.5%
RB 	$6.999 million 	+15.0%
DT 	$6.775 million 	+19.8%
S 	$4.490 million 	+9.3%
TE 	$4.371 million 	+31.2%
P/K 	$2.078 million 	-15.8%

Ironic that, in the early 1990s, when the league began negotiating the basic framework for its collective bargaining agreement, Oakland owner Al Davis blocked progress because he felt that each team should have as many as five franchise markers available to it. Only a decade and a half into the accord, it now seems that one franchise tag is one more than necessary for most clubs.

Among the reasons for the reduction: Most teams simply have become smarter in dealing with the salary cap and more adept at identifying their "nucleus" players and signing them to extensions before their contracts ever come close to expiring. Starting quarterbacks, for instance, never make it to the unrestricted market. Both sides abhor the acrimony that usually results from the use of the franchise marker and try hard to avoid it. The most recent extension to the collective bargaining agreement limits the times a team can use a franchise tag on the same player and, essentially, imposes stiff penalties.

Even with the salary-cap level rising -- the spending limit is set at $109 million per team in 2007 and $116 million in 2008 -- the cost of carrying a franchise-designated player is often prohibitive. That won't stop the Colts from using the marker to retain the rights to Freeney, a pass-rusher Indianapolis officials reiterated last week won't get away from them, but he will be among the few exceptions.

"I would say [the franchise designation] is the last thing the player wants and probably the last thing the team wants, too," Briggs said last week. "It's not a good alternative to a long-term contract, that's for sure. Just thinking about it, I mean, it knocks the air out of you."

The rising level of franchise charges announced last week are enough to leave just about anyone breathless. Fortunately, they aren't going to apply to many players.

[prsnfoto]

A mil or two hes gonna want 7 million a year and I don't hate him he is an above average MLB he is not an elite player deserving of elite pay. As far as the cap going up 7 million so what that just keeps pace with the draft for the year plus should they give the whole 7 million to one guy?

The rookie cap isn't going up near that much. There are around 20 teams with $20M in cap room. Around 10 with $30M in cap room. Salaries will go up again this year, and they'll go up quite a bit.

What I meant by the rookie cap was ours was just over 6 million last year to sign 12 players, if TT trades picks like that again this year it will eat the whole 7 million increase, I doubt that will happen plus we are picking lower so our number may be only 5-6 million if we only have 7-9 picks. As far as the QB's go I never said Barnett wanted top QB money just QB like money and he does look up salaries like Marc Bulger, granted as you have argued he will get a huge fucking raise next contract. I get it you love Barnett, I don't hate him I just think his agent overrates his value your franchise numbers prove my argument as far as I am concerned the tag is based on the top ten salaries at position it is 7.2 he is no where near top ten, hes not even top 30 so I would say 5 million is more than fair anything else is overpaying.