MOSS TO GREEN BAY?

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Joe Jurevicius?

[motife]

Joe Arrigo :

"The Jags have a MAJOR interest in Randy Moss (Jack Del Rio was a coach in Minnesota when Moss was a Viking) and seem to be poised to make a move for him, by possibly giving up there 2nd round pick. I also have heard that they would consider giving up there 1st this season for him.

The Vikings has no interest in bringing Randy Moss back.

The Packers seem to have cooled off a little on the Randy Moss deal for a couple of reasons. (1.) Al Davis is trying to mend the rift between him and the team (2.) Al Davis wants equal value (as of today) from any team wanting Moss (which means a 2nd or a 1st) and (3.) The Packers are starting to think a WR in this draft could have just as much as an impact THIS SEASON and down the road for a cheaper price."

[green_bowl_packer]

Doug Gabriel from NE got cut half way through the season as KRob got suspended. Jabar Gaffney got picked up to replace Gabriel, I think he was out there. Marcus Robinson didn't get cut from the Vikings until the last week of the season. Any of those ring a bell?

[Patler]

No, someone who had experience with the WCO as I recall. Not a superstar, but adequate. I didn't suggest picking up Rogers at all, and didn't pay much attention to those who did. Patler?? Who was it? We all know that you know...

Actually, I don't know. At the time they signed Robinson, in my opinion all that was out there was a bunch of washed up, has beens. Nobody that interested me at all, so I have kind of forgotten about it.

I think there was someone who was injured, not yet cleared to play when Robinson was signed, cleared medically while Robison was in GB, and signed just a few days before the suspension came down. People complained about him, but if you look at the time line it just didn't work for the Packers.

The Packers needed some immediate help in KO returns, and at week 2 Robinson was about the best available.

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that all kind of rings a bell patler, but no names are jumping into my brain right now

was that the kick returner, that maybe ended up with seattle?

[the_idle_threat]

No, someone who had experience with the WCO as I recall. Not a superstar, but adequate. I didn't suggest picking up Rogers at all, and didn't pay much attention to those who did. Patler?? Who was it? We all know that you know...

Actually, I don't know. At the time they signed Robinson, in my opinion all that was out there was a bunch of washed up, has beens. Nobody that interested me at all, so I have kind of forgotten about it.

I think there was someone who was injured, not yet cleared to play when Robinson was signed, cleared medically while Robison was in GB, and signed just a few days before the suspension came down. People complained about him, but if you look at the time line it just didn't work for the Packers.

The Packers needed some immediate help in KO returns, and at week 2 Robinson was about the best available.

The guy was Willie Ponder, a young WR who had just missed the final cut of the New York Giants. Our big need at the time was kick returner, and Ponder had been #1 in the NFL in Kick Return Average in 2004, and was 6th overall in that category in 2005. He was sitting on the street when we went for K-Rob. I knew about him because I had played in Fantasy Football leagues that allowed points for kick return yards, and this guy was a beast. Many of you might recall that I was no fan of the K-Rob signing, and this was one of the many reasons. I do recall saying something about it at the time.

The other guy that Patler is referring to (I think) is Bethel Johnson, who started out the year as an injured street FA, and then signed with Minnesota part way through the year and looked good against the Packers. After he looked good in that game, there was some grumbling around here about why TT didn't pick him up before the 'queens got him.

[the_idle_threat]

Ponder was signed by Seattle, and then was released after the Branch trade. After that point, it looks like Seattle had WR overlaod and had Burleson returning kicks.

St Louis promptly snagged Ponder and he finished the year with them.

[MJZiggy]

And how did he do with them?

[PackerBlues]

Years ago when Moss first began with the Vikings, I was sitting in a bar in Draper Wisconsin watchin the Packer game during deer hunting season. Shortly after watchin the Vikings take the lead with a long bomb to Moss, the Packers responded by scoring quickly themselves. I bought the entire bar a round of drinks. I was sure that Favre and the Pack could easily Counter Moss.......and yet, the rest of the game seemed to be nothing but Moss catchin long bombs for touchdowns. The only good thing to happen that day was everyone in the bar returnin the favor and buying me a drink after the game.
I would love to see Moss in a GB Packer uniform. I have no doubt that he could renew his career in GB. I think it would even make Favre want to stay an extra year or two more. (whether thats a good thing or not, time will tell)
The reason I dont think it would happen, is what its going to cost to get him. I just think there are going to be more teams than you think interested in him, and one of em is bound to be willing to offer more than what the Packers will.

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Ponder was signed by Seattle, and then was released after the Branch trade. After that point, it looks like Seattle had WR overlaod and had Burleson returning kicks.

St Louis promptly snagged Ponder and he finished the year with them.

thats it. at least thats who i think he thinks he's thinking about

he had 25 returns for seattle and 26 for seattle, and averaged just over 23 yards per return. no td's, long of 41

as a wr he had zero catches for zero yards and 11 td's

oh wait, zero td's

[the_idle_threat]

And how did he do with them?

According to the year-end stats at nfl.com, Ponder returned 25 kicks for a 23.5 yard avg. for Seattle.

Then he returned 26 more for a 23.3 yard avg. for St. Louis.

His overall avg. of 23.4 put him in a tie for 20th place in the NFL with none other than Bethel Johnson of Minnesota.

Not a spectacular year by any means, but it was a better showing than we saw on the Packers.

According to this end-of-year stat compilation at packers.com, Vernand Morency led the team with a 21.6 yard avg. in 31 returns. K-Rob averaged 21.1 yards. The team kickoff return avg. was a sad 19.7 yds.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The better question is how would he have done on the Packers. I'd suggest probably not much better than Morency. I actually like Morency is a return man. I think our blocking on returns is the bigger issue.

[retailguy]

No, someone who had experience with the WCO as I recall. Not a superstar, but adequate. I didn't suggest picking up Rogers at all, and didn't pay much attention to those who did. Patler?? Who was it? We all know that you know...

Actually, I don't know. At the time they signed Robinson, in my opinion all that was out there was a bunch of washed up, has beens. Nobody that interested me at all, so I have kind of forgotten about it.

I think there was someone who was injured, not yet cleared to play when Robinson was signed, cleared medically while Robison was in GB, and signed just a few days before the suspension came down. People complained about him, but if you look at the time line it just didn't work for the Packers.

The Packers needed some immediate help in KO returns, and at week 2 Robinson was about the best available.

The guy was Willie Ponder, a young WR who had just missed the final cut of the New York Giants. Our big need at the time was kick returner, and Ponder had been #1 in the NFL in Kick Return Average in 2004, and was 6th overall in that category in 2005. He was sitting on the street when we went for K-Rob. I knew about him because I had played in Fantasy Football leagues that allowed points for kick return yards, and this guy was a beast. Many of you might recall that I was no fan of the K-Rob signing, and this was one of the many reasons. I do recall saying something about it at the time.

The other guy that Patler is referring to (I think) is Bethel Johnson, who started out the year as an injured street FA, and then signed with Minnesota part way through the year and looked good against the Packers. After he looked good in that game, there was some grumbling around here about why TT didn't pick him up before the 'queens got him.

I think that was who I was thinking of. I don't think it was Bethel Johnson either, however, considering he wasn't healthy that wouldn't have helped. My perspective is that Ponder would have helped the team more than Krob for the simple fact he was healthy and not in danger of being suspended.

The new guys that Thompson picked up did fine at the end of the season, but not much in the middle. Had they picked up Ponder, he might have had enough time to be somewhat effective in the middle of the year... More effective than Krob wouldn't have been difficult, and hell, the guy that lives under the rock knew Krob was ripe for being suspended quickly....

On that basis, I disagree with the opinion that the Krob signing presented no/little risk. The risk was not having an adequate healthy WR when we needed one, and THAT happened. One more victory.... PLAYOFFS.

[Patler]

The other guy that Patler is referring to (I think) is Bethel Johnson, who started out the year as an injured street FA, and then signed with Minnesota part way through the year and looked good against the Packers. After he looked good in that game, there was some grumbling around here about why TT didn't pick him up before the 'queens got him.

You hit it. Bethel Johnson was the guy I was thinking of who was still injured when Robinson was signed by GB, so wasn't really an option even though some complained about it at the time.

[Patler]

I don't like guys like Ponder. He returns kickoffs, and nothing more. He does not return punts. He hasn't caught a pass since 2004, when he had 1 for 3 yards. He is way too much of a specialist. If you are set on offense and defense, but have a glaring weakness on kick returns he might be your guy. The last piece to a strong playoff run.