David Carr for a 4th rounder??

[wist43]

Took 3 vicadin at my bowling league the other day... topped it off with a few beers.

Bowled like crap, but by the time the meds kicked in - I didn't care... there's something to be said for that!!!

[Tony Oday]

Took 3 vicadin at my bowling league the other day... topped it off with a few beers.

Bowled like crap, but by the time the meds kicked in - I didn't care... there's something to be said for that!!!

hehe why do you think Favre smiles after bad throws

[SkinBasket]

I could see Carr as a backup, or a stop gap starter... certainly never going to go to a SB with him under center.

People said the same about Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, Stan Humphries, Neil O’Donnell, and Chris Chandler and somehow they made it. I would certainly take Carr over any of those guys in the years they took their teams to the SB including this year's iteration of Sexy Rexy.

Yeah, but what do all of them but one have in common? THEY LOST!!!!!!!!
And Trent Dilfer got his win because of the defense; he just managed not to do anything stupid.

You think we can draft a better QB than Carr for a 3rd or 4th? No one's giving up a 2 for him. That's what it comes down to for me, and I really don't think we could find a better rookie, who may need to be ready next year, with a 4th.

It would be great to find someone better, but if you haven't noticed, there aren't a lot of options. I don't think Manning or Palmer will be available for a 3rd or 4th.

[Partial]

I could see Carr as a backup, or a stop gap starter... certainly never going to go to a SB with him under center.

People said the same about Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, Stan Humphries, Neil O’Donnell, and Chris Chandler and somehow they made it. I would certainly take Carr over any of those guys in the years they took their teams to the SB including this year's iteration of Sexy Rexy.

David Carr is awful. Those others are far, far better. He's just another tedford project, and a huge step down from the most successful of the Tedford children Trent Dilfer.

[Creepy]

Here are some team sthat might be willing to give that #2 or #3 for him.

Vikings:
Vikings are not all that fired up with what they have right now. The rookie did some good things, but didn't win and made some poor decisions. Carr would be a nice veteran influence or starter.

Bucaneers:
Simms is still a wonder. How will he come back from his injury and he still has not shown he is as good as they thought. Even before his injury he wasn't playing well, being tough doesn't make you a great QB ask Bobby Douglas or Joe Kapp.

Seahawks:
Holmgren may decide he dosen't want to be left in the cold whne or if Hasslebeck gets hurt. Remeber he brought in veterans almost every year while in GB except for 1 year.

Pantehrs:
Delhomme did not play well last year aor the year before. he is older than Carr and maybe a little too much mileage. Wouldn't suprise me if they got him to lite a fire under Delhomme or replace him. Carr has more upside at his age than delhomme has.

Chiefs:
Green is old and it didn't look like he fully recovered from that hit last year. Huard is a journeyman, but notthe real answer. Chiefs made the play-offs and really don't want to bring in a rookie to start. Carr is a good fit for this team.

Ravens:
They love McNair, but he is getting old and is injury prone. They don't like Boller as the starter, and may decide that Carr would be better at back-up/replacement to McNair.

Dolphins:
Culpepper they think came back too soon, or they seen how good he is without Moss. Harrington played OK, but I don't think they are ready to go with him alone. They may make the trade and either Harrington or Culpepper get cut if it doesn't work out.

Jaguars:
Neither starter or the back-up gave them any reason to belive they will be any better next year. The defense can only bail them out so long and carr may be what they need to get it going. Bring in Carr and then the Jags may start shopping their QBs around to see what they can get before the Draft starts.

I purposely left off teams like the Lions, Browns and Raiders. These teams will be drafting QBs along with the Texans. However, if one of these teams falls to a point where they can't get the QB they want or pick a different player and tarde for Carr to improve in two areas. I feel the Lions and Raiders will more than likely take QBs in the draft, the Browns may be willing to trade for Carr and pick another player at #1.

GB won't trade for Carr and Carr dosen't really want to battle for the #2 slot. he may not have mcuh of a choice, but GB isn't going to give a high pickl for Carr. When Carr gets traded it will be for somebodies #2 or a high #3 not a #4.

[KYPack]

Carr is a steal at a #4 pick.

That said, I think TT would never trade a 4 for a vet player.

Carr was developing nicely, but the Texmen would never get the kid a line.

As far as his present quirks, nothing a decent QB coach couldn't straighten with a little work.

Who does Tex think they are gonna get to replace him.

[PackerPro42]

I don't get why everyone is giving up on Rodgers. He hasn't really gotten a chance to prove himself and I don't think that you bring in a traumatized QB to replace Favre when you have a completely capable QB waiting in the wings. I personally think Rodgers will be a very solid QB in the Packers system and I think that we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

[TopHat]

Re: David Carr for a 4th rounder??

Just saw on NFL Network (the best NFL coverage ever) that the texans are looking to trade Carr and will seek a 2nd to 4th round pick for the former #1 overall selection.

Gotta say this move is really stupid by the texans considering the crap team they surrounded him with, mainly the OL. This guy has the arm, the size, and the heart. It was unfair to bring him into a POS expansion team and expect him to excel. Now they want to kick him to the curb. i hope they do trade him and then proceed to become like the bengals of yesterday (the ones that sucked but didnt get arrested).

As a Fresno St fan and someone who watched Carr during his entire time there I would be delighted if TT was to make a move for him. Then the QB situation would be prepared for when Favre retires but I have a feeling he may end up a bear which would make them alot better on O.

TOP HAT: A POSSIBILITY LIKE THE RUMORS ABOUT PLUMMER AND MOSS. YET, FIRST, WE HAVE IMMEDIATE NEEDS IN FA AND DRAFT TO HELP BF'S OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. IN TWO WEEKS, WE SHALL SEE HOW IT STARTS TO UNFOLD

[wist43]

In short, some of us have given up on Rodgers b/c, in just about every way imaginable, he looks to be in way over his head.

He looks tenative in the pocket, he doesn't seem to feel the rush, as soon as he's set up in the pocket he's looking to check down - which makes me wonder if he can read a defense, he doesn't seem to have any "presence", he doesn't have a big arm - and, oh yeah, he's a Tedford QB.

Whatever it is about the guy - perhaps it's everything about the guy - he just doesn't seem to have it.

They've invested a 1st round pick and millions of $$$ in him, so I'm sure he'll get his shot, but I just don't see it.

If I were TT, I'd be drafting a QB every year until I found "the guy"... hell, for all we know, Ingle Martin might have moved in front of Aaron Rodgers on the depth chart. Maybe Ingle Martin is "the guy".

One thing I'm pretty sure of at this point though, is that Rodgers IS NOT "the guy".

[BallHawk]

I personally think Rodgers will be a very solid QB in the Packers system and I think that we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

Is there a chance that Rodgers could be successful? Of course. Is it likely? Hell no.

And people, you give David Carr way to little credit. Even with a team that had absolutely no running game and no passing game, he still put up a 82.1 passer rating.

[BallHawk]

Here's another stat.

David Carr, of all 32 starting QBs, had the highest completion percentage in the league, and it's not like he barely through the ball. He threw the ball 442 times. You can't even argue that Aaron Rodgers is better than him. I'd even give up a 3rd for Carr.

[PackerPro42]

I personally think Rodgers will be a very solid QB in the Packers system and I think that we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

Is there a chance that Rodgers could be successful? Of course. Is it likely? Hell no.

And people, you give David Carr way to little credit. Even with a team that had absolutely no running game and no passing game, he still put up a 82.1 passer rating.

I don't get where you're coming from here. Like I said before, Rodgers has had no chances to prove himself and I think it's a little premature to say that he's not going to be a good player. So you have no proof for saying he'll be a flop. Saying he won't be successful is like saying Matt Leinart and Vince Young won't be successful. I mean, there's always a bust factor with any player, but if we don't give them a chance we'll never know. I don't think that getting rid of a first rounder after no playing time is a very wise move.

[MadtownPacker]

David Carr is awful.

Read BH's post above and then simmer in your ignorance of this player.

[Bretsky]

I personally think Rodgers will be a very solid QB in the Packers system and I think that we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

Is there a chance that Rodgers could be successful? Of course. Is it likely? Hell no.

And people, you give David Carr way to little credit. Even with a team that had absolutely no running game and no passing game, he still put up a 82.1 passer rating.

I don't get where you're coming from here. Like I said before, Rodgers has had no chances to prove himself and I think it's a little premature to say that he's not going to be a good player. So you have no proof for saying he'll be a flop. Saying he won't be successful is like saying Matt Leinart and Vince Young won't be successful. I mean, there's always a bust factor with any player, but if we don't give them a chance we'll never know. I don't think that getting rid of a first rounder after no playing time is a very wise move.

It's my view that Young and Leinart are far more gifted than Aaron Rodgers
I hope I'm wrong.

[PackerPro42]

I personally think Rodgers will be a very solid QB in the Packers system and I think that we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

Is there a chance that Rodgers could be successful? Of course. Is it likely? Hell no.

And people, you give David Carr way to little credit. Even with a team that had absolutely no running game and no passing game, he still put up a 82.1 passer rating.

I don't get where you're coming from here. Like I said before, Rodgers has had no chances to prove himself and I think it's a little premature to say that he's not going to be a good player. So you have no proof for saying he'll be a flop. Saying he won't be successful is like saying Matt Leinart and Vince Young won't be successful. I mean, there's always a bust factor with any player, but if we don't give them a chance we'll never know. I don't think that getting rid of a first rounder after no playing time is a very wise move.

It's my view that Young and Leinart are far more gifted than Aaron Rodgers
I hope I'm wrong.

It's debatable, but when Rodgers was in the running to be the first pick, I don't think that you can give up on him.